When Is An Emergency Room NOT an Emergency Room?

[Bill Call]

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When you say" A heart attack, stroke, car accident, fainting spell or just falling off a bike meant a ride right past Lakewood Hospital" is simply not a true statement.

I mentioned falling off a bike, fainting and accident because I have direct knowledge of the events. In each case the patient was taken right by Lakewood Hospital and transported to either Metro or Fairview.

The more important question is: Will Lakewood EMS drive a heart attack patient from Lakewood to the new emergency room, take the patient into the emergency room, then load the patient back into the ambulance for a ride to Fairview or Avon or will the patient be taken directly to a Hospital emergency room?

If you were having a heart attack would you rather be taken right to a hospital or make a side trip to the local stand alone clinic?

The Clinic made many promises regarding the Vision for Tomorrow and broke every one of those promises. The only promises made about the new stand alone emergency room is that NO SERVICES ARE GUARANTEED. I guess in a weird way that is a Vision For Tomorrow!

[Corey Rossen]

The more important question is: Will Lakewood EMS drive a heart attack patient from Lakewood to the new emergency room, take the patient into the emergency room, then load the patient back into the ambulance for a ride to Fairview or Avon or will the patient be taken directly to a Hospital emergency room?

If you were having a heart attack would you rather be taken right to a hospital or make a side trip to the local stand alone clinic?

I believe to some sense you are agreeing with the Fire Chief. He says that paramedics assess every situation individually (on the spot) and take the patient to the proper location.

It sounds to me like that is exactly what you are asking to have done.

Corey

[Lori Allen _]

Cleveland Clinic loves to make money and they milk their patients for every dime they can get. My guess, they will take you to Lakewood first and then to another ER. That way you can be billed for two ambulance rides. Is there a possibility that CCF might get a kick back for the EMS runs?

[james fitzgibbons]

The building in which the emergency room of Belle Avenue is operated is no longer a "hospital"

It is no longer a "hospital emergency room"

Thank You Brian Essi for speaking for us at the special meeting last night you were great! The way council and the mayor handle business is disgusting. They were just leading us on and wasting our time.

[Lori Allen _]

Thanks James. We have to keep showing people how the mayor and council are not on the side of the people. Never have been and never will be. I believe the rewards they may have gotten from CCF $$$$$ were just too tempting to pass up!

[Lori Allen _]

It appears that Fitzgerald and Budish may have cashed in on the deal as well!

[Corey Rossen]

Cleveland Clinic loves to make money and they milk their patients for every dime they can get. My guess, they will take you to Lakewood first and then to another ER. That way you can be billed for two ambulance rides. Is there a possibility that CCF might get a kick back for the EMS runs?

Side note:

I have often wondered about Donald Martin & Sons Ambulance Service and Funeral Service - either way they get your money.

or...

Kind of like when a dentist gives you candy on the way out of the appointment - they know you will be coming back.

[Lori Allen _]

Oh well, let's just have another drink!

[scott gilman]

Lori the reports you requested have been in the law department for several weeks. There were 75 reports for the days you requested.

[scott gilman]

"I mentioned falling off a bike, fainting and accident because I have direct knowledge of the events." Bill: I order to judge why these patients went to Fairview or Metro you would need to know the patient history. Even a seemingly small fall for a patient on blood thinner can result in severe internal bleeding. So when the patient with what you think is a small injury the medical history and medications my dictate the the best hospital is the Level 1 trauma center.
As for cardiac patients. All of our monitors on the squads obtain and transmit the 12 lead EKG to the hospital. The receiving hospital can view that EKG and in cases where the patient needs to go to the cath lab the patient is taken directly to the cath lab bypassing the emergency room. We are in the process of updating our heart monitors to provide better patient assessment. If the EKG were transmitted to the Lakewood ER and the doctor saw indications that a procedure not available at Lakewood were needed he would advise the medics and the patient would be transported to the most appropriate medical facility.The LFD goal is to get the patient to the proper facility for treatment the first time. As much as anyone else who posts on the deck I want to see the patients receiving the best possible care and getting to a facility that meets their needs.

[Bill Call]

As much as anyone else who posts on the deck I want to see the patients receiving the best possible care and getting to a facility that meets their needs.

Thank you for taking part in this discussion. Your EMS crews are doing a fine job.

[Bill Call]

Welcome to fascist state Lakewood.

Conversation used to be the gold standard, now it it lies, cover-ups, misdirection, and shut all the oppose down.

Some might think that a bit harsh but consider this:

Near the end of last nights meeting the law director stated that if the citizens vote against the actions of Council the Mayor will continue on as if nothing happened. In other words the City Charter and the actual vote has no meaning.

What if Council votes to repeal its vote? Will the Mayor ignore them as well? It seems so. Where is that in the City Charter? Do we have a City Charter?

The Mayor and his pals took action to undermine the Hospital and degrade City assets before Council even voted on the Hospital issue. Now we are being told that votes of the Council do not matter and the votes of the people do not matter and the City Charter does not matter.

Fascist?

[Jim O'Bryan]

The Mayor and his pals took action to undermine the Hospital and degrade City assets before Council even voted on the Hospital issue. Now we are being told that votes of the Council do not matter and the votes of the people do not matter and the City Charter does not matter.

Fascist?

Wow, I'm looking more like Nostradamus, than you.

Why would the mayor do anything to stop HIS PLAN to get his friends TO THE MONEY, collected for Lakewoodites Hospital?

You blamed the Clinic while your elected officials sold you out and played you.

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[Lori Allen _]

I guess nobody in the law department knows how to use a telephone or E-mail. I guess that might be the reason why we have to hire so many people at city hall. There certainly has been enough time to alter them, so, unfortunately, they probably are useless. We can save all the BS by stating the truth and that is that there is a greater chance of death the farther away from a hospital you are. There is also a larger chance of death waiting for Rocky River or Fairview Park, or god forbid, Westlake or Bay Village EMS. Council, Summers, Butler, Council and all the rest can spew all they want. Time is tissue. Mr. Gilman, I used to think a lot of you. It is too bad you had to go along with Summer's BS. Your own paramedics made a u-tube post about this. Are they still city employees or did the mayor do as he usually does and fire those that don't go along with what I believe to be corruption.

PS The others who requested these copies have not received notification either!

[Brian Essi]

The building in which the emergency room of Belle Avenue is operated is no longer a "hospital"

It is no longer a "hospital emergency room"

Thank You Brian Essi for speaking for us at the special meeting last night you were great! The way council and the mayor handle business is disgusting. They were just leading us on and wasting our time.

Thanks James,

I was honored to have been asked to speak and field questions on behalf of the petitioners and the 2,868 signers of the petition (who represent 40% of the votes needed to overturn the bad deal). I'm afraid that it was a hopeless and unproductive exercise due to the the misinformation on a few that dominates the group think dynamic at City Hall.