When Is An Emergency Room NOT an Emergency Room?

[Bill Call]

Last year people in Lakewood who needed emergency services were taken by ambulance directly to Fairview or Metro. A heart attack, stroke, car accident, fainting spell or just falling off a bike meant a ride right past Lakewood Hospital to an out of town facility. This year the ride takes them to St. Johns in Westlake and beyond.

If an emergency room attached to Lakewood Hospital is unable to treat real emergencies can we expect the new free standing emergency room to treat those emergencies?

When the new free standing emergency room is completed will it be an emergency room in name only?

Will the people that use that facility for non-emergencies be charged emergency room prices? $2,000 for a sore throat? $1,800 for a sprained ankle?

Is the proposed stand alone emergency room just a Potemkin Village? Just a name slapped on a building to give the people of Lakewood the illusion of health care?

Would the City be better off with a real family health center with a 24 hour health clinic?

Will the City lose 1,500 jobs, millions in tax revenue and hundreds of million in economic activity in exchange for a minute clinic with emergency room prices?

[Jim O'Bryan]

Will the City lose 1,500 hundreds millions in tax revenue and hundreds of million in economic activity in exchange for a minute clinic with emergency room prices?

Bill

You have to excuse most if they do not understand this yet.

They only care about the money coming back to their friend's new non-profit, and a chance to control the city without pesky elections.

Welcome to fascist state Lakewood.

Conversation used to be the gold standard, now it it lies, cover-ups, misdirection, and shut all the oppose down.

Nothing like democracy, not even like representative government.

When a community rewards leaders for lies and deceit, nothing good follows.

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[Bill Call]

When a community rewards leaders for lies and deceit, nothing good follows.

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It's all so sad. Of course, a lot of people believed the lies and voted accordingly.

It's still not to late to salvage something from this fiasco.

[scott gilman]

In 2015 LFD transported 3275 or 61.2% of our patients to Lakewood Hospital Emergency Room. 21.7% of the patients LFD encountered were not transported to any hospital. The remaining 17.1 % were transported to one of 7 other area hospitals. The decision where to transport patients is based on patient request and medical condition determined by patient assessment. If there is a question as to which hospital is appropriate for the patient then the paramedics can consult with the doctor at the hospital.
When you say" A heart attack, stroke, car accident, fainting spell or just falling off a bike meant a ride right past Lakewood Hospital" is simply not a true statement. Most of our patients were transported to Lakewood Hospital. If a patient is taken to Metro from a car accident it is because that is the proper hospital for that patient based on the patients condition. LFD ambulances also took trauma patients to Metro when Fairview was the closest hospital. This is done because it is in the best interest of the patient. The Emergency Room at Lakewood remains a full service Emergency Room staffed by Board Certified Emergency room doctors and LFD will continue to take our patients to the facility that best meets the medical needs of that patient.

[Jim O'Bryan]

When a community rewards leaders for lies and deceit, nothing good follows.

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It's all so sad. Of course, a lot of people believed the lies and voted accordingly.

It's still not to late to salvage something from this fiasco.

Bill

There is much to cover-up and when you read the Active Living Task Force, and throw in what we know here, the
scoundrels are here to cover it all up. One last try to prove they have been right for 15 years, even though they failed at most things.

It is so obvious to all that take the time to look.

Does it really seem like any of the BS is anything but BS? 5 Guys Company headquarters, one of many regional offices, that closed and moved. Nearly $50 million into Detroit and DowntowN, and what did we get, some pinkish concrete, a couple more trash barrels and NONE OF THE ACTIVITY THEY PROMISED. NONE!

Actually ti has been just the opposite, DowntowN buildings mostly empty. Store fronts just as empty as when Ed and Mike took office, if not more so.

Their high end shopping quickly became Marc's Plaza, Dollar General and Family Dollar.

Yes this is one more chance for the baby boomers to suck the last $$$$$$ out of Lakewood assets in a desperate attempt to prove to everyone, they were right.

Pitiful, stealing public assets for egos and lies.

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[Patrick Wadden]

^Thanks Scott Gilman.

[Michael Deneen]

Here's what an actual doctor thinks.

[Lori Allen _]

Does anybody else notice that it appears that the only time Mr. Gilman posts here on the deck is when the Mayor looks more like an ass than he already does? You CANNOT takes persons with heart attacks, strokes, shock, poisoning, or heavy bleeding to the new CCF Urgi Care Center. I have timed several of the EMS runs over the past several months and door to hospital runs average 42 minutes. Myself and others requested copies of the EMS run logs a couple of months ago from Mr. Butler's office and we are still waiting for an answer. Either they are refusing to release them or they need time to fudge the numbers before going public. So, the Summer's closed records administration continues. I will wait for Mr. Gilman to come on to blast me. Mr Gillman, how about posting the EMS records from the past few days? Oh, that would be impossible. It takes time to alter numbers!

[Corey Rossen]

Just left Lakewood's Emergency Room.

Great people.
Great admins.
Great nurses.
Great doctors.
Great paramedics.
Great care.
Great experience.

With all things going on I'm sure the greatness that happens within Lakewood Hospital's Emergency Room will not diminish.

Corey

[Jim O'Bryan]

I would also note that Scott Gilman and Dr. Terry Kilroy are both correct and talking about two different scenarios.

Scott Gilman, oversees and cares about Safety Services. Everything I have seen and understood makes his comments seem right for what he is talking about.

I have double checked many of the numbers on my own, and found them to be the same, or close enough not to matter.

Dr. Terry Kilroy seems like a smart, honest caring doctor. I had the pleasure to have dinner with him early on in this, and found out we agree on most things.

Dr. Kilroy is also telling the truth, on his situation, "A person walks into the emergency room." Which happens all day long too.

Scott and Dr. Kilroy agree on most things, when they talk about the same thing, and I can prove it.

Dr. Kilroy explains why you need a hospital to be connected to a hospital then says, "You walk into a stand alone emergency room, with a complaint..."

Scott Gilman speaks of, "once you are in the ambulance, or make the call" Two very different scenarios.

Dr, Kilroy is spot on saying it could take 45 minutes or more to get to the correct procedures. Hell we have all waited longer than that in emergency rooms with "heartburn."

They will both agree that time is the utmost importance, and tissue death is a huge problem.

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[Brian Essi]

The building in which the emergency room of Belle Avenue is operated is no longer a "hospital"

It is no longer a "hospital emergency room"

[Lori Allen _]

Jim,
Did you ever think the numbers you were shown were altered? I think Gilman is a great chief and we have a great fire department. That being said, I believe he is covering for the mayor. Regardless if he wants to or not, his job is at stake. If he posted here and said it wasn't true, you can't really believe him. Again, why not hand over requested public records to several citizens who requested them?

[Corey Rossen]

Jim,
Did you ever think the numbers you were shown were altered?

From a previous post, same thread.

I have double checked many of the numbers on my own, and found them to be the same, or close enough not to matter.

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[Jim O'Bryan]

Jim,
Did you ever think the numbers you were shown were altered?

http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewt ... nce#p92731

No, we are talking two different things here, both honest comments and legitimate.

I am not qualified to talk about hospitals and life saving to the depth many are here.

What I do know, is ambulances now have the capabilities of most hospitals back in the 60s.

The worse way to go to an emergency room, any emergency room is walking in.

I will post more, but have to work.

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[Lori Allen _]

Jim,
Maybe we are talking two different things here. I'm just saying that is does not look good when several residents request copies of the EMS run logs and are stonewalled for over two months. I am aware that certain information has to be redacted. If you have nothing to hide, why stonewall the requests? I believe Save Lakewood Hospital might have posted here awhile ago about the risks of longer ambulance rides, etc. Time is tissue. The mayor and council don"t want these logs getting into the hands of the public because they know we are right. The fire chief knows we are right too. Have any of them been honest about anything having to do with the hospital? Did they follow the federal trade laws with open bidding? Did council handle this last referendum in a trustworthy and fair way? Trust has to be proven. The problem with Lakewood now is that we have all let Lord Lakewood and his administration take over OUR city. The residents are the only ones that can take it back. Will we do it? Can we do it before it is too late?