Build Lakewood Whistles a Happy Tune
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todd vainisi
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Re: Build Lakewood Whistles a Happy Tune
This argument between Bridget/Brian and Jim is a perfect example of why it's so important to be transparent. The facts are so convoluted, and most of the information I've been able to look at and evaluate for myself come from SLH/Brian Essi (yeah yeah yeah, you aren't SLH Brian - but your agendas are not differentiated in any meaningful way). Regardless of Brian's prowess at obtaining information (often quite out of context) he doesn't have a seat at the bargaining table and isn't privy to the range of information that Mayor Summers is.
But Mayor Summers refuses to tell us the full truth and plays politics and dodges questions. And for that, I say shame on him. It's no wonder people draw the conclusions they do. But you have to wonder how much SLH has forced him into this posture by working so hard against him. He can't be insulting to CCF leadership, so I'm sure that means lots of facts have to stay off the table.
My gut tells me the Mayor is making the best of the bad situation. I don't know why CCF isn't paying what Brian Essi says is the proper value for medical/office buildings outside of Lakewood - but I bet the Mayor knows why, and I bet it's a more compelling reason than many of you think. It seems that SLH basically thinks the Mayor just wants to destroy Lakewood and glorify CCF or (and this is where Jim talks about libel) is doing it for some self gain or other insidious reason. That thinking just doesn't ring true to me.
How about that recent offer from the Physician Owned Hospital people from Tennessee? Everyone was sure that Summers was a pig for ignoring their proposals. Think of all the moving pieces and contingencies and everything else that have to go into this deal. So now some hospital system from out of state wants in? What if the mayor did that deal, and they fell on their face and went belly up and abandoned the hospital - you don't think our local health providers would have tried to stamp them out as quickly as possible? I'm not saying any of this is the truth - I'm saying we don't have the full truth no matter how many documents Brian Essi produces.
But Mayor Summers refuses to tell us the full truth and plays politics and dodges questions. And for that, I say shame on him. It's no wonder people draw the conclusions they do. But you have to wonder how much SLH has forced him into this posture by working so hard against him. He can't be insulting to CCF leadership, so I'm sure that means lots of facts have to stay off the table.
My gut tells me the Mayor is making the best of the bad situation. I don't know why CCF isn't paying what Brian Essi says is the proper value for medical/office buildings outside of Lakewood - but I bet the Mayor knows why, and I bet it's a more compelling reason than many of you think. It seems that SLH basically thinks the Mayor just wants to destroy Lakewood and glorify CCF or (and this is where Jim talks about libel) is doing it for some self gain or other insidious reason. That thinking just doesn't ring true to me.
How about that recent offer from the Physician Owned Hospital people from Tennessee? Everyone was sure that Summers was a pig for ignoring their proposals. Think of all the moving pieces and contingencies and everything else that have to go into this deal. So now some hospital system from out of state wants in? What if the mayor did that deal, and they fell on their face and went belly up and abandoned the hospital - you don't think our local health providers would have tried to stamp them out as quickly as possible? I'm not saying any of this is the truth - I'm saying we don't have the full truth no matter how many documents Brian Essi produces.
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Lori Allen _
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Re: Build Lakewood Whistles a Happy Tune
Brian,
I sort of remember that through all this with the hospital that there were, at different stages of all this, five offers. ( I believe all were ignored except CCF, which I think this would violate the Federal Trades Laws ). Could you list one more time the documentation here that you have that shows these other offers? My apologies for asking to repeat previously posted materials, but, there seems to be a lot of confusion out there about the offers and how they were handled, or should I say ignored, by City Hall.
I myself asked Summers at one of the Council Meetings about the 2nd offer he received from Metro. He gave a nervous chuckle and said "what 2nd offer?", I never got a 2nd offer." Does anybody out there know anything or have a copy cuz I would love to have a copy." Well, I believe we found out that at that meeting he was lying through his teeth!
I sort of remember that through all this with the hospital that there were, at different stages of all this, five offers. ( I believe all were ignored except CCF, which I think this would violate the Federal Trades Laws ). Could you list one more time the documentation here that you have that shows these other offers? My apologies for asking to repeat previously posted materials, but, there seems to be a lot of confusion out there about the offers and how they were handled, or should I say ignored, by City Hall.
I myself asked Summers at one of the Council Meetings about the 2nd offer he received from Metro. He gave a nervous chuckle and said "what 2nd offer?", I never got a 2nd offer." Does anybody out there know anything or have a copy cuz I would love to have a copy." Well, I believe we found out that at that meeting he was lying through his teeth!
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Brian Essi
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Re: Build Lakewood Whistles a Happy Tune
Jim Kenny,Jim Kenny wrote:..you and your peers continue to accuse Mayor Summers and others of innumerable crimes, yet can you tell us when one of them will be arrested? If you can't, you are perpetuating slanderous claims...if you and others are aware of criminal acts that you please present your evidence so that the perpetrators are arrested. If you're not going to see to that, please apply your energies to helping our community heal.
You seem to go quiet when confronted with facts--like the few I posted above last night--there were two solid Metro proposals and your post today admits I even sent the second one to you as a courtesy, but you chose to jump over your previous claims that there was no Metro proposal to some narrative about Dr. Hill being the issue and then a general and false narrative about Metro's financial condition--the documented facts prove you are wrong. Metro was more efficient than LHA and you have bought into the narrative told by the Failures who sit on LHA who want to continue to "control the money" (Summers words not mine) Of course LHA Step 2 leaders (2 of them CCF trustees) would falsely accuse Metro of "a money grab" to distract you and others from their own "money grab"---that is documented in the Master Agreement.
I think it is odd that some rely on information from LHA, CCF and Summers et al about Metro's alleged weaknesses---Why would you rely on the judgment of LHA and Summers--who failed so badly in their own duties that a 100 year old well positioned, well funded and profitable hospital was run into the ground so fast that "EMERGENCY" legislation was needed to save some scraps. Metro is 150 years old---less well funded, in not the greatest neighborhood and is by all measures more efficient. When LHA trustees told me Metro's board was "weak" and an "execution risk" I had no choice but to question their grip on reality and their propensity for telling the truth. Of course, I've been fact finding and dealing with behaviors of corporate boards and fiduciary liability for 30 years--but this is just common sense and human nature that should jump out at the average person.
Of course this validates Todd V.'s point about transparency--and underscores that the backroom guys are telling you what they want you to hear.
BTW the fact that the Metro proposals were hidden in the backroom for a year (the first one) and 9 months (the second one) does not sully the proposals or Metro. The concealment allowed the trustees and Summers to sully the proposals and Metro, just like you continue to do by repeating the falsehoods.
Turning to your quotes above--PR misdirection--please note It took the Feds years to finally indict Dimora and Russo and only after a dozen or so of the underlings and sideline players rolled and/or went to prison.
Should folks back then have said let's "heal" no need to worry about the money that passed hands and how the "community" was robbed of tax dollars that hurt schools etc.? Did they say-"Let's just move forward and let Jimmy and Frank keep the ill-gotten gains" ?
Dimora enjoyed his free marble countertops, etc. for years during the investigation.
What makes you so sure that authorities have not been presented with the evidence (perhaps by SLH or others) and that there are no investigations underway?
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Brian Essi
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Re: Build Lakewood Whistles a Happy Tune
Lori,Lori Allen _ wrote:Brian,
I sort of remember that through all this with the hospital that there were, at different stages of all this, five offers. ( I believe all were ignored except CCF, which I think this would violate the Federal Trades Laws ). Could you list one more time the documentation here that you have that shows these other offers? My apologies for asking to repeat previously posted materials, but, there seems to be a lot of confusion out there about the offers and how they were handled, or should I say ignored, by City Hall.
I myself asked Summers at one of the Council Meetings about the 2nd offer he received from Metro. He gave a nervous chuckle and said "what 2nd offer?", I never got a 2nd offer." Does anybody out there know anything or have a copy cuz I would love to have a copy." Well, I believe we found out that at that meeting he was lying through his teeth!
The second Metro proposal was posted above.
All I know about are:
1. two Metro proposals.
2. One by Premier Physicians that was separate from the Metro proposal that included Premier --this was never made public.
3. One by Dynamus (sp??) Little is known about this one.
4. Two by Surgical Development Partners.
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Jim Kenny
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Re: Build Lakewood Whistles a Happy Tune
Hi Brian: I'm willing to keep on playing along. I'm just unclear what's being asked. You propagate a number of unattributed conspiracies, but I'm not sure what you're asking. Please don't extrapolate some conclusions based on datapoints that somehow take more meaning because you put these in a larger font and placed these in bold type. Just please tell me what you're asking. I'm asking you to be concise. Thank you.
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Brian Essi
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Re: Build Lakewood Whistles a Happy Tune
Jim K,
Rule 12(b)(6)
Rule 12(b)(6)
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Jim Kenny
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Re: Build Lakewood Whistles a Happy Tune
"Recognizing this, it is vital to include every fact that could in any way be relevant to give the court as complete a picture as possible."
http://blog.legalsolutions.thomsonreute ... ate-claim/
Brian: you have more facts than anyone, but it doesn't mean you get to pick and choose which are relevant and material. Please challenge yourself to find balance in your investigations and I suspect there you can find peace.
FYI: Please know today I will traveling all day and unable to contribute here.
http://blog.legalsolutions.thomsonreute ... ate-claim/
Brian: you have more facts than anyone, but it doesn't mean you get to pick and choose which are relevant and material. Please challenge yourself to find balance in your investigations and I suspect there you can find peace.
FYI: Please know today I will traveling all day and unable to contribute here.
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Brian Essi
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Re: Build Lakewood Whistles a Happy Tune
Jim Kenny,Jim Kenny wrote:"Recognizing this, it is vital to include every fact that could in any way be relevant to give the court as complete a picture as possible."
http://blog.legalsolutions.thomsonreute ... ate-claim/
Brian: you have more facts than anyone, but it doesn't mean you get to pick and choose which are relevant and material. Please challenge yourself to find balance in your investigations and I suspect there you can find peace.
FYI: Please know today I will traveling all day and unable to contribute here.
Actually I do get to pick which facts are relevant and material----following your logic, since you acknowledge that I know more than you, I am in a better position top understand the materiality and relevance of the facts.
This is America and I do get to choose.
You keep trying to define my position and make up stuff about me---that's what PR guys do with skewed and limited information--I saw that in you from the beginning. Remember the "new hospital" that was never a "hospital"
So when you say I cherry pick, it really defines who you are and the Observers see it.
You try to suggest that I'm somehow not at "peace" i.e. the angry "bully"
Here is how you define peace:
PEACE
1.freedom from disturbance; quiet and tranquility:
synonyms: order
EXCLAMATION
2.used as an order to remain silent.
Mr. Buckley sees it when he says you are the "Minister of Thought Control"
I include you in the clan of "Conformity Police"
May I suggest you seek a different kind of "peace"---an inner peace that comes from knowing you have done the right thing.
For example:
"To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting."
e. e. cummings
Please don't worry yourself about me---I am at true peace being me.
All the best on your travels.
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Lori Allen _
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Re: Build Lakewood Whistles a Happy Tune
Brian,
Thanks. I knew there were at least three. I still question whether the bidding process was done legally. I assumed that public assets had to be put up for open bidding. This deal appears to be one bid done behind closed doors.
Thanks. I knew there were at least three. I still question whether the bidding process was done legally. I assumed that public assets had to be put up for open bidding. This deal appears to be one bid done behind closed doors.
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Jim Kenny
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Re: Build Lakewood Whistles a Happy Tune
Hi Brian: Yes, you are American and entitled to your choices of facts and your choices of interpretations of these. Unlike me, however, you’re also an officer of the court as you are an attorney. The rule that you cited expressly states that you are obligated to forfeit these choices and present a balanced view when in civil procedures, especially those that may one day appear before a judge in a court of law.
I suspect this also means, as many Observers have witnessed and some (Lori Allen) have pleaded with you to discontinue, that you would benefit by breaking the habit of falsely attributing acts and denigrating others in this forum, such as those who have identified the fact that your chosen data points lack balance or that your chosen interpretations are skewed. Please recognize that your legal responsibility exceeds anyone’s “moral responsibility” that you have also frequently cited.
Lastly, please know that I define peace only in one way and that is what exists inside of me. I found it on this subject and I’m happy to share it with those conflicted; hence, my willingness to meet you when you demanded as much when I first attempted to contribute a balanced view to this debate.
May peace be with you.
I suspect this also means, as many Observers have witnessed and some (Lori Allen) have pleaded with you to discontinue, that you would benefit by breaking the habit of falsely attributing acts and denigrating others in this forum, such as those who have identified the fact that your chosen data points lack balance or that your chosen interpretations are skewed. Please recognize that your legal responsibility exceeds anyone’s “moral responsibility” that you have also frequently cited.
Lastly, please know that I define peace only in one way and that is what exists inside of me. I found it on this subject and I’m happy to share it with those conflicted; hence, my willingness to meet you when you demanded as much when I first attempted to contribute a balanced view to this debate.
May peace be with you.
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Brian Essi
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Re: Build Lakewood Whistles a Happy Tune
Jim K.
You can continue to denigrate me without facts and by innuendo in an effort to distract from the facts I lay bare that you agree denigrate those that have committed a moral and legal wrong.
You can continue to play the victim and paint the victimizers as victims if you wish.
You can continue to twist the law into something it is not if you wish.
You can continue to attack me and avoid a debate on the facts.
I am not trying to silence you.
You openly admit that you are pleading with me to be silent.
Most importantly I believe you are misguided in your belief that moral responsibility is less important than legal responsibility.
Indeed legal responsibly is grounded in moral principles.
Patience is love and I have all the time in the world to help those in need.
You can continue to denigrate me without facts and by innuendo in an effort to distract from the facts I lay bare that you agree denigrate those that have committed a moral and legal wrong.
You can continue to play the victim and paint the victimizers as victims if you wish.
You can continue to twist the law into something it is not if you wish.
You can continue to attack me and avoid a debate on the facts.
I am not trying to silence you.
You openly admit that you are pleading with me to be silent.
Most importantly I believe you are misguided in your belief that moral responsibility is less important than legal responsibility.
Indeed legal responsibly is grounded in moral principles.
Patience is love and I have all the time in the world to help those in need.
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- Jim O'Bryan
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Re: Build Lakewood Whistles a Happy Tune
Laws without morals is what they build nightime TV schedules on. aka crime shows.Brian Essi wrote:Indeed legal responsibly is grounded in moral principles.
When a person is hired to protect a group of people, those that hired them. And they fail in that principle duty, then fail in the duty to warn anyone and then fail in trying to cover up their failures, it gets pretty ugly pretty fast.
PS - To everyone that demanded self-employed CPA Margret Harkness have an answer in 3 months to saving the hospital...
Under oath we find out you have had and been working on this plan to close the hospital since 2011, where the hell is your plan to make this city whole again?
You have had 16 times the length of time you gave her.
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Jim O'Bryan
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Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama