The Clinic Guarantees NO SERVICES Under The New Master Agreement

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Bill Call
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The Clinic Guarantees NO SERVICES Under The New Master Agreement

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Here is the agreement:
LKWD HSPTL AGRMNT (1).pdf
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Here is some information on the family residency program.

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/locations ... highlights

The City will be responsible for building and maintaining a 1 acre parking lot to be built for the new office building.

The City will grant the Cleveland Clinic a monopoly on health care in Lakewood.

Any LHA money left over will be used for whatever purpose the new Foundation proposes.

While the agreement lists "contemplated services" there is no guarantee of any level of service.

The City's beneficial interest in the Lakewood Hospital Foundation (approximately $34 million). Isn't mentioned. I suspect there is a secret side agreement to donate that money to the Cleveland Clinic.

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I believe the money will be passed out to those involved with this deal after is passes through the Cleveland Foundation.
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Please be aware that the City's agreement doesn't guarantee a monopoly to CCF. It only specifies that another ER or medical provider can't be positioned on or occupant of the former hospital property. Any other provider can, however, and is free to operate anywhere else in the City.

And, Lori, please understand that the Cleveland Foundation has no role in this deal. A new foundation will be established for Lakewood that has a mission and focus that extends beyond supporting a hospital and this foundation will be modeled after the Cleveland Foundation.

Gang, now is the time to stop being obstructionists and get behind the project that they majority of our neighbors expressly wants. You have great focus and commitment to community. Please place these where they can have the greatest impact and benefit for all.
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Jim Kenny wrote:
You have great focus and commitment to community. Please place these where they can have the greatest impact and benefit for all
That's EXACTLY what the "obstructionists" want - what is best for EVERYONE in this community, not just a chosen few.
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Jim Kenny wrote:Please be aware that the City's agreement doesn't guarantee a monopoly to CCF. It only specifies that another ER or medical provider can't be positioned on or occupant of the former hospital property. Any other provider can, however, and is free to operate anywhere else in the City.

And, Lori, please understand that the Cleveland Foundation has no role in this deal. A new foundation will be established for Lakewood that has a mission and focus that extends beyond supporting a hospital and this foundation will be modeled after the Cleveland Foundation.

Gang, now is the time to stop being obstructionists and get behind the project that they majority of our neighbors expressly wants. You have great focus and commitment to community. Please place these where they can have the greatest impact and benefit for all.
Jim,

You seem to have an insider's knowledge of matters that are not publicly known.

The City will only receive about $18.5 million in this deal:
1. 8.2 m for Columbia Rd.
2. 7 m for demo of gutted hospital
3. 0.3 m est. for transfer of Curtis Block to City
4. 1 m est. for land sold to CCF
5. 2 m est. for land ultimately sold to private developer. This might be high because the land will be impaired by a restrictive covenant/non compete.

The New Foundation is less than $24 m on a present value basis. The $500k x 16 years has a present value of 3m per Huron but that is CCF giving to itself because it decides how that is spent. BTW the "In the words of City Council" printed on the LO front page says "doctors and others" (other than Lakewoodites) will be on the new board to be appointed by the old LHA board. Since the only doctors left in Lakewood will be CCF Drs it would appear that CCF will continue to control the new foundation just like it currently controls LHA.

So getting 18.5 from the value of assets is $120 m is about 15 cents on the dollar based on the Summers/LHA appraisal by Subsidium.


Kindly tell us ignorant outsiders what we are missing.

Please explain how this is fair or even legal?
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Pam Wetula
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Jim Kenny wrote:Please be aware that the City's agreement doesn't guarantee a monopoly to CCF. It only specifies that another ER or medical provider can't be positioned on or occupant of the former hospital property. Any other provider can, however, and is free to operate anywhere else in the City.

And, Lori, please understand that the Cleveland Foundation has no role in this deal. A new foundation will be established for Lakewood that has a mission and focus that extends beyond supporting a hospital and this foundation will be modeled after the Cleveland Foundation.

Gang, now is the time to stop being obstructionists and get behind the project that they majority of our neighbors expressly wants. You have great focus and commitment to community. Please place these where they can have the greatest impact and benefit for all.
Dear Jim,

It is absurd that CCF can dictate WHERE another healthcare provider can have a hospital or other major healthcare service.
It is absurd to think that demolishing a perfectly suitable and beautiful hospital is acceptable.
It is absurd that anyone can think that any of the proposed development plans can or will take the place of 14% of Lakewood's payroll or replace the $250 to $300 million of economic impact that LH has had on our City's economy.

Even if you could find 1100- 1500 employees to fill that space, it would be incredible to think that you could find an entity with that has round the clock, multiple scheduling options like a hospital does. It would be a traffic nightmare in downtown Lakewood for hours every day.

The $34,000 million that is in Lakewood Hospital Foundation's coffers have not been explained in this new Master Plan. LHA & LHF signed the LOI in January Smells suspicious to me!

It is VERY clear that you have not read the thousands of pages, Subsidium Report, Huron Report, Allegra Report, Lease Agreement, Definitive Agreement, the Decanting Plan, the Lawsuit, the FTC Filing, Minutes and Financial of 10 years of LHA, financials for CCF, City Council Meeting Minutes for the last 10 years, plus the plethora of news and artilcles about Freestanding ER's, CCF hiding of their misdeeds , studies on closing ERs, the litany of lies offered to the public over the years etc... The list goes on and on.

If you had read this material you would be for standing up to the Cleveland Clinic for purposefully dismantling our biggest employer and provider of a unique service in the pursuit of more and more profits. You would be appalled at the shenanigans of secret meetings intend on closing Lakewood Hospital. You would be disgusted that some CCF employees at Fairview Hospital have known since 2011/2012 and had meetings to discuss the already developed "DECANTING PLAN for Lakewood Hospital". We didn't find out until January. 2015.

Aren't you concerned that your elected officials don't have the GUTS to stand up for us. If someone had done this to YOUR company or your family's company, you would be up at arms!

Anti Issue 64 spent at least $40 to $50,000 to spread their untruths and PRO- 64 ? maybe $6000. Issue 64 lost by 4%.

We are not being obstructionists ! We want to see the WHOLE TRUTH exposed. All the deals made to get to this point. The real reasons why the City will not issue a RFP and refuses to deal with anyone but CCF.

CCF doesn't want any more Discovery in this lawsuit and the court has denied their request. Ask yourself. What do they have to hide? Why is Mike Summers reluctant to testify?

The CCF deal stinks and there are and have been better options available. The elected officials of Lakewood should be looking for those options instead of drinking the Cleveland Clinic Kool Aid. Let Mike Summers explain his "two hats" to the courts. Let us get on with Saving Lakewood Hospital.

Respectfully,

Pam Wetula
Working towards a better future for Lakewood resident.
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Jim, Thanks for the advice but please understand that opinions which differ from yours are neither cancerous nor obstructionist. There is a substantial percentage of Lakewood residents that think this deal, orchestrated behind close doors by an administration that on more than one occasion has misled it's constituents, should be opposed. So if it's all right with you, I'll continue to exercise my democratic right to question the actions of Summers and CO. as they press forward serving the interests of the Cleveland Clinic.
" City Council is a 7-member communications army." Colin McEwen December 10, 2015.
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Interesting facts:

$50,000 spent on the "Build Lakewood" side

$6,000 spent on the "Save Lakewood Hospital" side

In sum, that's 10 to 1 spending and we haven't even seen the final campaign finance reports which will be out in January......

If you're outspent 10 to 1 and won by 4% that's actually pathetic. There has to be a better way to finance all political campaigns via the charter in Lakewood.
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Jim Kenny,
Those responding to your post have raised a great many questions that, if answered, would go a long way toward calming the waters.
To those, I would add the questions about the RTF process, the Metro offer, and more recently, given the long time remaining on the Clinic contract, why not take a little more time to consider the late arriving LOI?

After all, doesn't everybody agree that losing the hospital is a terrible thing for the City?

Perhaps someone should compile a comprehensive list of these questions, present them to the City/LHA/Build Lakewood in good faith and see if they are answered truthfully.
“Never let a good crisis go to waste." - Winston Churchill (Quote later appropriated by Rahm Emanuel)
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Dan Alaimo wrote:Jim Kenny,
Those responding to your post have raised a great many questions that, if answered, would go a long way toward calming the waters.
To those, I would add the questions about the RTF process, the Metro offer, and more recently, given the long time remaining on the Clinic contract, why not take a little more time to consider the late arriving LOI?

After all, doesn't everybody agree that losing the hospital is a terrible thing for the City?

Perhaps someone should compile a comprehensive list of these questions, present them to the City/LHA/Build Lakewood in good faith and see if they are answered truthfully.
Dan,

You are correct--again.

Nevertheless I'm sensing that it is a time to take action and think that some will.

I truly wish the wrongdoers no ill will and I think the irony will be that those gathering to create a storm may save some of the pawns from the otherwise inevitable perp walks.

If this illegal deal goes forward, it will take many down in its wake.
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Meg Ostrowski
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Jim Kenny wrote:Please be aware that the City's agreement doesn't guarantee a monopoly to CCF. It only specifies that another ER or medical provider can't be positioned on or occupant of the former hospital property. Any other provider can, however, and is free to operate anywhere else in the City.
Honestly Jim, where else in the city would enough land be available to do this?
Jim Kenny wrote:A new foundation will be established for Lakewood that has a mission and focus that extends beyond supporting a hospital and this foundation will be modeled after the Cleveland Foundation.
I would never invest in something as vague as this.
Jim Kenny wrote:Gang, now is the time to stop being obstructionists and get behind the project that they majority of our neighbors expressly wants. You have great focus and commitment to community. Please place these where they can have the greatest impact and benefit for all.
As we’ve agreed before, your loyalty is to the region. So Lakewood taking its lumps from the Clinic is just part of the dysfunction you’ve come to accept.

I believe the majority of our neighbors that have gotten behind the project are apathetic; believe and fear the propaganda of LHA/CCF; feel powerless; have confidence in their elected leaders; and/or are too busy working, raising their families and filling their lives otherwise to put the necessary time into understanding such a complex issue.

One of my favorite sayings goes something like “when forty million people believe in a dumb idea, it’s still a dumb idea.”
“There could be anywhere from 1 to over 50,000 Lakewoods at any time. I’m good with any of those numbers, as long as it’s just not 2 Lakewoods.” -Stephen Davis
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Meg Ostrowski wrote:One of my favorite sayings goes something like “when forty million people believe in a dumb idea, it’s still a dumb idea.”
Well said, Meg.
As Mr. Trump proves virtually every day, popular ideas (especially those fueled by oft-repeated lies) are not necessarily good ideas.
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Mike,
Why do you have to come on the Deck and make everything political? It appears that we have lost a couple of more posters. Believe it or not, there are republicans that have worked really hard to save the hospital, especially me and my son. This is just one of the issues that are making people angry.
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Meg Ostrowski wrote:
Jim Kenny wrote:Please be aware that the City's agreement doesn't guarantee a monopoly to CCF. It only specifies that another ER or medical provider can't be positioned on or occupant of the former hospital property. Any other provider can, however, and is free to operate anywhere else in the City.
Honestly Jim, where else in the city would enough land be available to do this?
Perhaps you were thinking of this old idea?
Kauffman Park Redevelopment Project 2009.pdf
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“There could be anywhere from 1 to over 50,000 Lakewoods at any time. I’m good with any of those numbers, as long as it’s just not 2 Lakewoods.” -Stephen Davis
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According to this morning's report on WCPN, the latest agreement will leave the hospital standing while the CC builds across the street. After all the urgent pleas from Jennifer Pae and the Builders to not let the city get stuck with maintaining the "bricks and mortar," or the decrepit, costly, outdated hospital building, it appears that that is now exactly what the LHA and the city have agreed to. The Clinic will not tear down the building after emptying it of anything of value. So we WILL be stuck with the building and the cost of maintaining, remodeling, or tearing it down sans another offer.

How is this inconsistency explained? This is what the city so vehemently feared and now it's part of the "great deal?"

Listen here at about the 43:30 mark, for the hospital comments:

http://wcpn.ideastream.org/programs/sou ... -roundup-5
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