Notice to BL: BLOOD OF YOUR VICTIMS WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS

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Bridget Conant
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Re: Notice to BL: BLOOD OF YOUR VICTIMS WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS

Post by Bridget Conant »

i gave you FACTS directly from the Fire Chief. You choose to ignore them.

The FACT is that wait times will increase.

I'd love to know your age, Matthew, and if you have children. I may have a different perspective from you, having elderly parents and formerly young children, both of whom I value more than myself. I specifically chose NOT to live in a rural area precisely due to lack of immediate emergency services. Others may be willing to take that risk to have more land and privacy, etc. Likewise, YOU may not particularly worry about these things because of your station in life. I DO worry about this, and not just for myself. I CARE that an elderly person may die waiting for EMS. I CARE that if an accident happens on our streets, that the injured might have to be transported further away than necessary. God forbid we have an incident like in Oregon. We need services here, in our densely populated city.

It is easy to to say, "I don't use the hospital, so I won't miss it." Frankly, I don't use it. However, I CARE about all those who DO rely on Lakewood Hospital services and the doctors that are located here BECAUSE the hospital is here. I CARE that when the hospital leaves, those doctors will go, as well. I CARE that people will have a more difficult time getting both emergency and routine health care. Even though it may not affect ME, I CARE that others will be adversely affected.

I could say, like many do, that it won't affect me, so who cares. But that's wrong. It's not about me. It's about the community I live in. The people that live here. The right thing to do for everyone, not just ME.
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Re: Notice to BL: BLOOD OF YOUR VICTIMS WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS

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Bridget, you did not give the facts I am asking for with respect to this issue. Yes, facts were provided from the chief that seconds matter. I get that. Seconds matter with everything. Hence, my question of whether we should just have a hospital on every corner and then we don't have to worry about seconds. But that is not what I am asking for in this case.

The facts I am looking for are WHO has actually died and HOW they died because of this issue.

If you cannot provide those facts, that is fine. And I respect Brian for saying he has those facts but cannot give them. However, for me, I need those facts to help make up my mind on this issue.

If you don't respect that, that is ok. Just please respect me for wanting those facts.
Brian Essi
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Re: Notice to BL: BLOOD OF YOUR VICTIMS WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS

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Matthew Lee wrote:Bridget, you did not give the facts I am asking for with respect to this issue. Yes, facts were provided from the chief that seconds matter. I get that. Seconds matter with everything. Hence, my question of whether we should just have a hospital on every corner and then we don't have to worry about seconds. But that is not what I am asking for in this case.

The facts I am looking for are WHO has actually died and HOW they died because of this issue.

If you cannot provide those facts, that is fine. And I respect Brian for saying he has those facts but cannot give them. However, for me, I need those facts to help make up my mind on this issue.

If you don't respect that, that is ok. Just please respect me for wanting those facts.



Matthew,

I respect your opinion that people have not died even though I know it to be a fact.

"Noise" is what they called it on September 10, 2001.

They don't call it "noise" anymore.
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Matthew Lee
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Re: Notice to BL: BLOOD OF YOUR VICTIMS WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS

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OK, so now we are equating the Lakewood Hospital issue with September 11, 2001? Yes, there is "noise". It happened before September 11, 2001 and it happened after that day. On lots of issues. Big and small.

And people wonder why it is so difficult to have actual discourse.
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Re: Notice to BL: BLOOD OF YOUR VICTIMS WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS

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Brian, On the examples you have, I understand the need for discretion/privacy, but can you describe them generally without referencing names? Maybe that will help.
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Brian Essi
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Re: Notice to BL: BLOOD OF YOUR VICTIMS WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS

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Matthew Lee wrote:OK, so now we are equating the Lakewood Hospital issue with September 11, 2001? Yes, there is "noise". It happened before September 11, 2001 and it happened after that day. On lots of issues. Big and small.

And people wonder why it is so difficult to have actual discourse.


Matthew,

There is no reason to be upset by an analogy and suggest were are not having an actual discourse.

The analogy is this:

9/11:

a. Before 9/11 there were people tasked with protecting us--some warnings from people closest to the nature of the enemy and risk were discounted and ignored.

b. Innocent lives were lost. Those closest to the horror were affected in a profoundly different way than those at a distance.

The Hospital Matter:

a Similarly, those most involved in healthcare and those who have spent more time on the problem and understand the enemy are warning of a calamity. Those is power tasked with protecting us are ignoring the warnings.

b. Some innocent people have died and more will surely die----they are affected more than those at a distance.

I have the good fortune to be married into a family that has had doctors working at or associated with Lakewood Hospital for nearly 60 years---I also work in healthcare--Consequently I have had long exposure to non family member healthcare professionals at Lakewood Hospital from the inside.

Why did a 25 year veteran ER doctors leave Lakewood Hospital this spring? What effect did this have on the ER? What did CCF, LHA, Summers Bullock, Patton, et al do about it?

It is not often that hospital insiders use the term "wrongful death" and directly tie it to policy and leadership rather than medical errors.

This thread was addressed to BL leaders and followers acting in concert with the CCF, LHA and City leaders. Indeed, two of the BL leaders are LHA leaders and another one is married to an LHA and LHF leader. Several are employed at will by the Mayor who is and LHA leader. I am happy to engage with Matthew for as long as he wishes, but consider this:

I have no legal duty concerning the patients and caregivers at the hospital----do you think that BL and LHA leaders, including but not limited to Summers, Bullock and Patton do not know or could not easily find out what has been essentially given to me without any investigation or inquiry by me?
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Pasquale Manno
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Re: Notice to BL: BLOOD OF YOUR VICTIMS WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS

Post by Pasquale Manno »

Jay Carson gave a compelling speech to city council on Monday about Brian Essi's "BLOOD OF YOUR VICTIMS WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS" post. I like his passion. You must watch the speech at the link below!! Very moving.


https://youtu.be/N0TzGVPINkU?t=17m27s
Bill Call
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Re: Notice to BL: BLOOD OF YOUR VICTIMS WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS

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Build Lakewood is not about building Lakewood. It is about covering up past criminal conduct. If the Mayor is re-elected his first order of business will be to halt the discovery process and cover his tracks.

Of course that's not the worse part.

The worse part is that Mayor Summers and Build Lakewood are telling people that the new medical building will offer first class medical care.

THAT IS A LIE. IT IS A LIE THAT WILL COST LIVES. THE NEW MEDICAL BUILDING WILL BE JUST A REFRRAL CENTER. ANYONE WITH A REAL EMERGENCY WHO USES THE FACILITY WILL BE ENDANGERING THEIR LIVES OR THE LIVES OF A LOVED ONE.
Bridget Conant
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Re: Notice to BL: BLOOD OF YOUR VICTIMS WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS

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https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2014/07/116461/higher-chance-hospital-death-found-areas-where-emergency-departments-have-closed

In the first analysis of its kind, UC San Francisco research shows that emergency department closures can have a ripple effect on patient outcomes at nearby hospitals.

In a study of more than 16 million emergency admissions to California hospitals between 1999 and 2010, researchers found that patients who were admitted to facilities located in the vicinity of an emergency department (ED) that had recently closed experienced 5 percent higher odds of dying than patients admitted to hospitals that were not near a recently closed ED.
The odds of dying were even higher for patients with certain time-sensitive conditions, especially heart attack (15 percent higher odds), stroke (10 percent) and sepsis (8 percent). The findings are of particular concern nationwide, said the authors, because the annual number of ED visits increased by 51 percent between 1996 and 2009, while the number of available emergency departments dropped by 6 percent.


It's very clear that an ER that isn't capable of performing emergency life saving procedures, and the health center will be in that group, will result in increased mortality.

It is inevitable. Seconds matter in an emergency, as the Cleveland Clinic has stated
Brian Essi
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Re: Notice to BL: BLOOD OF YOUR VICTIMS WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS

Post by Brian Essi »

The research shows exactly what Is common sense to most people who place human lives above money and things.
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