Anti-Summers vs. Pro-Skindell

[Jim Kenny]

Phil: Your prompt begged me to ask more questions. If candidate Michael Skindell is a career legislator then I must evaluate his work to know if he is as competent
I found little testimony of legislation that he’s championed and even less that he has actually authored.

And knowing his commitment to being trustworthy, I was disappointed when I read this Daily News report:[url] http://m.tie3.daytondailynews.com/blogs ... gi_1.html/[/url]

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Fishy carp letter raises plagiarism questions
By Laura Bischoff | Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 05:25 PM

State Rep. Mike Skindell, D-Lakewood, wanted to call attention to the potential environmental disaster of Asian carp invading the Great Lakes. But in doing so he lifted material verbatim from multiple sources without attributing it.

Skindell, a lawyer, used the plagiarized material in a two-page letter he sent Tuesday, Dec. 8, to Gov. Ted Strickland and Attorney General Richard Cordray. Thirteen of fellow House members co-signed the letter.

An entire paragraph was taken from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s website on Asian carp. Skindell defended the use, saying those exact 60-words were a “commonly used description of a carp.”

“It’s throughout everything you read,” Skindell said. “I saw it throughout a number of sources.”
Journalism professors, however, say that’s a load of carp.

“Certainly in the world of academics and journalism, it’s plagiarism,” said Tom O’Hara, former managing editor of The (Cleveland) Plain Dealer who is now an adviser to The Lantern, a student newspaper at Ohio State University. “We’re certainly not in the business of lifting large chunks of other people’s work verbatim and calling it our own.”
Tim Smith, a journalism professor and lawyer at Kent State University, agreed. He noted that Vice President Joe Biden once dropped out of a presidential race after being caught plagiarizing.

The following is a side by side comparison of Skindell’s letter and other sources on Asian carp found online.

SKINDELL LETTER: Asian Carp are a significant threat to the Great Lakes because they are large, extremely prolific, and consume vast amounts of food. They can weigh up to 100 pounds and can grow to a length of more than four feet. They are well-suited to the climate of the Great Lakes region, which is similar to their native Asian habitats.
U.S. EPA WEBSITE: Asian Carp are a significant threat to the Great Lakes because they are large, extremely prolific, and consume vast amounts of food. They can weigh up to 100 pounds, and can grow to a length of more than four feet. They are well-suited to the climate of the Great Lakes region, which is similar to their native Asian habitats.

SKINDELL LETTER: Moreover, following treatment of the waterway with rotenone last week, bighead Asian carp was found in the CSSC just above the Lockport Lock and Dam. This is the first physical specimen that has been found in the CSSC since eDNA testing earlier this year suggested the presence of Asian carp in the area.
CHICAGO SUN-TIMES BLOG: The Asian Carp Rapid Response Workgroup announced this evening that a bighead Asian carp was found in the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal (CSSC) just above the Lockport Lock and Dam. This is the first physical specimen that has been found in the CSSC since eDNA testing earlier this year suggested the presence of Asian carp in the area.

SKINDELL LETTER: As you may know, bighead and silver Asian carp are in the Illinois River, which is connected to the Great Lakes by way of the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal (CSSC). In 2004, an experimental electrical barrier designed to repel fish was placed in the waterway to lessen the threat of an Asian Carp invasion.
U.S. FISH & WILDLIFE SERVICE FACT SHEET: Bighead and silver carp are in the Illinois River, which is connected to the Great Lakes via the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal. Asian carp pose the greatest immediate threat to the Great Lakes ecosystem. An electrical barrier designed to repel fish was placed in the waterway.

SKINDELL LETTER: Urge the Army Corps of Engineers to take additional actions to protect the Great Lakes, including the completion of the second portion of the electrical barrier, full utilization of the existing barrier now operating at minimal levels, creating a physical barrier to block carp from entering via other waterways during times of flood and using all existing congressional authorities to block the carp’s entry;

MICHIGAN GOV. JENNIFER GRANHOLM’S OFFICE: Recently, Lt. Governor Cherry wrote the Undersecretary of the Army to urge additional actions to protect the Great Lakes, including the completion of the second portion of the new barrier, full utilization of the existing barrier now operating at minimal levels, creating a physical barrier to block carp from entering via other waterways during flooding, and using all existing congressional authorities to block the carp’s entry.
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[Lori Allen _]

Mr. Kenny,

While you are busy attacking Senator Skindell, let me remind you that several of us here on the deck have repeatedly asked you to list all your documentation that backs up Build Lakewood's phony post card. We are still waiting. At least Mr. Skindell did not hide rapes and murders from the citizens of Lakewood. I'm sure by now you have seen all the proof posted here on the deck. Is Summers really the candidate you want to back? Let's see, Summer's got himself involved with the CCF in what appears to be an immoral, if not illegal deal. In doing so, he has put the lives of Lakewood citizens at risk. Just watch the video done by our own Lakewood Paramedics. Any mayor that permits all these rapes and assaults to happen to women and then not notify his citizens, in my opinion has no moral compass. What about the women on Clifton last September that was brutally raped and then murdered? Did Summers warn Lakewoodites that there was an armed rapist loose in the city?

[Jim Kenny]

Ms. Allen: I don't know if your latest post on this thread was misplaced or not, as it didn't address Mr. Skindell's fitness for office.

Nonetheless, please know that the Build Lakewood's postcard stands on it own merits. I need not give it more voice than it already has achieved.

And regarding the sensational posts about crimes, I don't care to dignify these offensive rants and risk amplifying the wounds of those affected. In fact, the majority of people who visit the Deck aren't participating in those discussions. Not just me. We all have our reasons. Please respect these. Otherwise, you'll risk exhaustion demanding that each of them explain why they're not involved.

Lastly, please understand that a component of freedom of speech is when we elect not to speak. I hope you can learn to respect this inalienable right.

[Brian Essi]

Jim,

You complain about this "blog" that is filling with evidence supporting crimes.

Yet you had to go back 6 years to find a "Blog" where someone against the environment makes a flimsy allegation against a public official.

Really?

If that falsehood is all you got on a guy who have been in public life for 13 years, I think Mr. Clean may move on to running for Pope after he is Mayor.

You guys are desperate.

[Michael Deneen]

Jim,

You complain about this "blog" that is filling with evidence supporting crimes.

Yet you had to go back 6 years to find a "Blog" where someone against the environment makes a flimsy allegation against a public official.

Really?

If that falsehood is all you got on a guy who have been in public life for 13 years, I think Mr. Clean may move on to running for Pope after he is Mayor.

You guys are desperate.

It's too bad Mr. Kenny didn't vet Ed FitzGerald....the people of Ohio might have gotten a legitimate gubernatorial election.

[Lori Allen _]

Mr. Kenny,
Now who is being a bully? I take it by your comments that you approve of the mayor apparently belittling rape victims in our city and also trying to keep it hidden. Since you refuse to answer my post card questions, I assume that we here on the deck are correct. All misinformation. If you choose to support what I believe to be both an incompetent and immoral mayor. It is your right. Would you feel differently if your wife or daughter was brutally raped? I have nothing further to say to you as I find your apparent disrespect toward women repulsive.

[Corey Rossen]

Mr. Kenny,
Now who is being a bully? I take it by your comments that you approve of the mayor apparently belittling rape victims in our city and also trying to keep it hidden. Since you refuse to answer my post card questions, I assume that we here on the deck are correct. All misinformation. If you choose to support what I believe to be both an incompetent and immoral mayor. It is your right. Would you feel differently if your wife or daughter was brutally raped? I have nothing further to say to you as I find your apparent disrespect toward women repulsive.

At least we know you read his post and chose to ignore the words within it.

This place has gotten insane.

Corey

[Lori Allen _]

Corey,
I did not ignore his words. Mr. Kenny ignored the facts of the hidden rapes and thinks that Summer's was right to do it. Obviously you did not read the evidence or you you, like Mr. Kenny think this is OK too. Corey, if this happened to your wife or daughters would you think it was right?

Obviously you have no concern or respect for women either. I really get tired of all you Build Lakewood people coming on the deck and making excuses for what I believe is an incompetent and immoral mayor. He could murder ten people and you would still make up excuses for him. Corey, we are not stupid. We know you and the others are trolls for the mayor. Please go out within our community and help people instead of doing the mayor's job. He is a big boy. Let him come on the deck and explain to the women in Lakewood why he appears to have covered up rapes and murders. I have nothing further to say to you either. Good day sir.

[Corey Rossen]

Corey,
I did not ignore his words. Mr. Kenny ignored the facts of the hidden rapes and thinks that Summer's was right to do it. Obviously you did not read the evidence or you you, like Mr. Kenny think this is OK too. Corey, if this happened to your wife or daughters would you think it was right?

Obviously you have no concern or respect for women either. I really get tired of all you Build Lakewood people coming on the deck and making excuses for what I believe is an incompetent and immoral mayor. He could murder ten people and you would still make up excuses for him. Corey, we are not stupid. We know you and the others are trolls for the mayor. Please go out within our community and help people instead of doing the mayor's job. He is a big boy. Let him come on the deck and explain to the women in Lakewood why he appears to have covered up rapes and murders. I have nothing further to say to you either. Good day sir.

1. Here is the title of this thread. "Anti-Summers vs. Pro-Skindell" - stick to it.
2. You are frickin' insane.
3. Since I am for neither side, from now on I will say that I am for Save Lakewood and parade myself around town as an insane person. That should convert a handful of people to Build Lakewood.
4. Yes, you are stupid. The "we" that you are speaking for may be insulted by being grouped in your "we."
5. I am not a troll, a pain in the ass yes, but not a troll.
6. Why would any rational, sane person come here on the Deck and try to have a reasonable conversation? Especially with you involved.
7. I have extreme respect for women, you however, are making me consider singling out the people I have respect for so that you do not become grouped in that generalization.
8. I love the fact that you will no longer have anything to say to me. You are correct, it is a good day.
9. The Wild, Wild West has come to Lakewood and it is thriving on the Deck.
10. If you actually knew me, you would see how much involvement I have with the community and what I do to help.

Wow, this place.

Corey

[kate e parker]

Corey,
I did not ignore his words. Mr. Kenny ignored the facts of the hidden rapes and thinks that Summer's was right to do it. Obviously you did not read the evidence or you you, like Mr. Kenny think this is OK too. Corey, if this happened to your wife or daughters would you think it was right?

Obviously you have no concern or respect for women either. I really get tired of all you Build Lakewood people coming on the deck and making excuses for what I believe is an incompetent and immoral mayor. He could murder ten people and you would still make up excuses for him. Corey, we are not stupid. We know you and the others are trolls for the mayor. Please go out within our community and help people instead of doing the mayor's job. He is a big boy. Let him come on the deck and explain to the women in Lakewood why he appears to have covered up rapes and murders. I have nothing further to say to you either. Good day sir.

Lakewood dodged a bullet when you did not get elected.

[Jim O'Bryan]

9. The Wild, Wild West has come to Lakewood and it is thriving on the Deck.

Wow, cowboy.

The wild, wild west?

Well at least we got rid of the hyperbole.

.

[Corey Rossen]

9. The Wild, Wild West has come to Lakewood and it is thriving on the Deck.

Wow, cowboy.

The wild, wild west?

Well at least we got rid of the hyperbole.

.

I think the song was playing on I Heart Radio while I was typing so I just ran with it!

I was humming it the entire time I was typing.

Catchy tune, you have to love bad 80s music!

Corey

[Corey Rossen]

Corey,
I did not ignore his words. Mr. Kenny ignored the facts of the hidden rapes and thinks that Summer's was right to do it. Obviously you did not read the evidence or you you, like Mr. Kenny think this is OK too. Corey, if this happened to your wife or daughters would you think it was right?

Obviously you have no concern or respect for women either. I really get tired of all you Build Lakewood people coming on the deck and making excuses for what I believe is an incompetent and immoral mayor. He could murder ten people and you would still make up excuses for him. Corey, we are not stupid. We know you and the others are trolls for the mayor. Please go out within our community and help people instead of doing the mayor's job. He is a big boy. Let him come on the deck and explain to the women in Lakewood why he appears to have covered up rapes and murders. I have nothing further to say to you either. Good day sir.

Lakewood dodged a bullet when you did not get elected.

This is why the Facebook Gods created thumbs up.

Corey

[Gary Rice]

...and here I was, just about to get that campfire banjo out of its case....

This is the best time of year for sing-a-longs and s'mores too...

Back to the banjo...

[Dan Alaimo]

Some pro-BL people on the Buzz have gone over the top lately.