A New Lie About The Observer - Uncovered!

[Jim DeVito]

I fail to see how the Observation Deck or the Observer Project lacks transparency. If anything this project has proven itself more transparent than most. As everybody knows anybody involved with the Observer or the community sounding it is more than willing to take questions and comments in a constructive manner.

As for negativity and cynicism... So is the art of conversation. I think the Deck is an open place where people can talk how they would in the real world. It should be encouraged. To suggest that JOB needs to do "something" about the "tone" of the conversation is to suggest that the comments of observers and citizens alike should be censored. Something neither I now the Observer belove in. (Please Note I do not speak for the Observer. The above statement is only my perception.) Can conversations here get negative and heated? Sure. But that is how it works in the real world.

[Jim DeVito]

It should also be noted that We do NOT do any data recording as suggested in the email. This board software is not capable of even doing that as Jim said.

To anyone interested. A quick google will give you all the information you never wanted to know about the software that runs this and countless other boards on the interwebs.

(Hint : Look at the very bottom of any page to find out what you should google )

[Jill Jusko]

Mr. O'Bryan called out some unnamed person as a liar. It clearly -- as one response shows -- initiated some speculation as to who the unnamed person was. I would guess that was not his intent, but it happened.

Regarding comments on Mr. O'Bryan's tone....are comments such as these not allowed?

[Danielle Masters]

The great thing about the observer is that we are all on equal footing, we can all say whatever we want there are things that we can't say (besides bad language), but we do have to own our words, this is very much like how conversations go in the real world. There isn't heavy moderating going on here. And the cool thing about the observer is the fact that conversations can go on with people that we probably wouldn't have interacted with in the real world. And I agree such as in real life there is always going to be some negativity, the world is a utopia, we aren't always going to agree and sometimes things are going to be said that some people find cynical or negative but that is simply their opinion.

[Danielle Masters]

darn edit button, the sentence should say:

The great thing about the observer is that we are all on equal footing, we can all say whatever we want, there aren't things that we can't say

[Grace O'Malley]

So funny that the LO is being accused of being negative and cynical when if you read postings on the LB and many other sites the common complaint is that the people on the LO are all Pollyannas.

[Jim O'Bryan]

Mr. O'Bryan called out some unnamed person as a liar. It clearly -- as one response shows -- initiated some speculation as to who the unnamed person was. I would guess that was not his intent, but it happened.

Regarding comments on Mr. O'Bryan's tone....are comments such as these not allowed?

Jill

You can spin it anyway you see it. That is the beauty and the downfall of this deck. The fact is, I was calling the statement a lie.

I have no reason to think it was said to do harm, but merely for clarification, and that is what I did.

As for my tone, I take ownership of my words and comments, that is the rule here. If a group of Observers would like to get together and judge me and my words, I am more than willing to live with their decisions.

Recently Stan Austin sent in a letter about transparency, and we have acted on every single issue he brought forward that will be unveiled in the new Observer next year.

As I have always said, I view this as a community effort.


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[Jill Jusko]

I'm not trying to "spin" it at all. I just presented my opinion on the commentary that initiated this thread. That either is or is not what the Deck is all about.

[Danielle Masters]

I'm not trying to "spin" it at all. I just presented my opinion on the commentary that initiated this thread. That either is or is not what the Deck is all about.

Yep, that is what the deck is about, talking and sharing opinions.

[Jim O'Bryan]

I'm not trying to "spin" it at all. I just presented my opinion on the commentary that initiated this thread. That either is or is not what the Deck is all about.

Jill


Did not mean it in a negative way. Here at the Observer spin is the word of the decade. What I meant was your "take" on how you see it. What I see here at throughout the world is people taking in thoughts, ideas, actions and placing them in their world/eyes.

As Danielle so rightly points out, this is exactly what the deck is about. You see something your way, I see it mine, others see it differently. Together, we might be able to clear the vision or construct something else from it.

To do so, it is best to be willing to take ownership of your words. You do, I do, Danielle, does so do others.

FWIW


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[Stephen Eisel]

Maybe the letter was from Jim's alter ego????

[Jim O'Bryan]

Maybe the letter was from Jim's alter ego????

Eisel

Can you prove that?

I take the transparency of the Observer, it's openness, and fair play very, very seriously.

You came in wanted "Area 51" it was put up and no one has ever told you what to post or how to run it.

Another perfect case, of the LO walking the talk.

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[Stephen Eisel]

Maybe the letter was from Jim's alter ego????

Eisel

Can you prove that?

I take the transparency of the Observer, it's openness, and fair play very, very seriously.

You came in wanted "Area 51" it was put up and no one has ever told you what to post or how to run it.

Another perfect case, of the LO walking the talk.

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Jim, there is only way to the discover the truth in this matter... please watch this video and then answer the question.. Does the Observer record IP addresses?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXPyA-fv ... re=related



Jim the real question is.... Where is the proof? Unless their is proof then this is a baseless accusation... just sayin... I do not believe that the Observer is recording IP addresses.... For once, I agree with you... Please cherish this moment...



PS I am available for a kumbaya hug

[Jim O'Bryan]

PS I am available for a kumbaya hug

Stephen

Call Charlie.

Just being your neighbor is good enough for me.

The problem is, as you know from both ends, is the BS that surrounds
the LO Project. Most of it is to marginalize the effort. Far easier to marginalize then actually put it up. Easier to talk about "black ops" then stand in a public forum and answer questions.

One thing I like about you, is that you are not afraid to put it out there. You own your words and your actions, you borrow most of your clickys.

I know this might not matter to you, but we have some real heavyweights on the AGS and Observer Boards. Most are known for FREE speech, great philanthropy, and great dedication to openness and honesty. Those are the ones whose names I care to keep clean.

I imagine, I am like you in so much I could care less what people think of me. Most will never understand, so why worry.

We both know that most forums admins, keep ip addresses, email names, etc for a variety of reasons. Early on, we said real names, no hanky panky.

As always thanks for the painful humor and handful of clickys.

Is this where I am supposed to put the winking thing?




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[Stephen Eisel]