Did the LO endorse Obama or am I missing something?

[Jim O'Bryan]

Stephen

Well four of them have.

But your myopia misses the entire point.

This was but one small but public case. Go back and read my thread.

In a project that guarantees EVERYONE(but my family I guess) a seat at the community table to discuss their ideas, opinions, thoughts and more, why are not more outraged by the attacks against free speech?

Have you ever been censored or turned down on your efforts to post or express yourself? Have I called your wife or employer and threatened any actions if you do not stop posting? Have anyone on this board threatened your lively hood or well being? Well the advisory board cannot answer no to those questions?

So not only are some trying to silence and/or marginalize the board, this then is also an attack on their first amendment rights. Is it not? Or have you become so polarized that you only car about the rights of like thinking people?

Let's go one step further, to what end or to what purpose? While it personally disgust me that people attack and spew hate through faux names, would it be better that we all do that? I mean why not just wear the white hood of hate, stay in the closet of fear.

As I said, this was not merely reaction to the Obama sign, but much much bigger. Think of the societies and groups that have tried to stop public discussion, think of where they were headed and to what end.

For you and others, it is just a quick pop in to the Deck for a quick post or quip. For others it is an exercise in free speech for all, not just the chosen few. Why Ryan, and Colleen ran for office, it seemed they loved the freedom of speech they were given in the paper and online. Now that "the other side" might possibly benefit from this freedom, calls of outrage are dished out. For one simple end, get the sign down, some sign down, any sign down.

Let's take it to a metaphor you might understand better. Because Deb does not own a gun, or how to use it, should we make others give up theirs? Go back and read the posts, try to walk away from your political beliefs and look at it as an American.

Maybe it is better that we look at this through something as insane as an 11" x 17" sign, that's only real action is a call to VOTE. You drive by my house, I am sure you noticed my wife's other signs. Register to Vote, no candidate mentioned. Remember to vote, no candidate mentioned.

My question, and very much the question the "little" board will look at, is have I lost my right to speak, because of the Observer? Will the city ever understand that all we expected was that those that worked so hard for this public forum, would also have a seat at the table, or should the be excluded?

The Observer is not dependent on this discussion, in fact, it is strengthened by it. Go make attacks or attack other media freedom's, it will be taken down, as it would at Cleveland.com, or any other site. Here it is raised on a pedestal, discussed openly, and I am sure some policy will come from it.

From there it up to participants.

So Stephen, do I have an equal voice to you? Does my wife?

Another interesting question would be why does the right work so hard to stop the free speech of a few.

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[Bryan Schwegler]

After reading through this thread, I'm glad to see that the melodrama is alive and well on the Deck...I was afraid it had died.

[Jim O'Bryan]

Ryan

Thanks you for the phone call and discussion. I appreciate everything you have brought to this discussion, and project.

I fear, that emotions and my love for this project sometimes blinds to the most obvious points being made.

You, Colleen, Paul, bring up very valid points, that need to be discussed and hopefully straightened out in the near future.

Are we cool.

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[Colleen Wing]

I am out of town and am using my husbands blackberry so am sad and glad I missed a lot of this

For what it is worth, I did not know the situation with the building. There was no conversation on my part prior to my post and there was no conspiracy against anyone, especially not jim.

I have no ill will toward the lo. As far as I am concerned you can cover the whole building with obama signs, especially knowing now that it is an office and not the lo. If the lo sign had not been next to it this would never had been an issue. It was never about free speech it was about identifying one position that was or wasn,t endorsed by the board.

My original statement remains the same, the average person walking could come to a similar conclusion. I prefer to see the lo as representing all of lakewood.

I don,t feel salo ever attacked deb. And I am sorry that the conversation turned the way it did. But I am not sorry I asked the question because I did know the answer or the background. I guess now I do.

[Stephen Eisel]

Ryan

Thanks you for the phone call and discussion. I appreciate everything you have brought to this discussion, and project.

I fear, that emotions and my love for this project sometimes blinds to the most obvious points being made.

You, Colleen, Paul, bring up very valid points, that need to be discussed and hopefully straightened out in the near future.

Are we cool.

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This Kumbaya moment was brought to you by JOB (clicky)

[Stephen Eisel]

But your myopia misses the entire point.

just the for the record, I have good aim with my myopeea thingy... Come on up after the first snow and I will show you...

[Jim O'Bryan]

But your myopia misses the entire point.

just the for the record, I have good aim with my myopeea thingy... Come on up after the first snow and I will show you...

Or as the eye doctor told me.

Jim, your eyes seem to be getting better with age.

I am there with scotch in hand.


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[Gary Rice]

Can we sing YET????

[Missy Limkemann]

Someone is singing...my beagle is howling.....

[Corey Rossen]

you can cover the whole building with obama signs

Uh oh, Jim, there goes your Security Deposit. (Gramps would be in Florida pounding his fist at you for all the holes you would be putting in the building.)

Corey