Why Ed Can't Win...
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Ryan Patrick Demro
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Why Ed Can't Win...
Observers,
Lately there is talk that is being spread by a certain campaign that, "...you should not cast a "protest vote" in this election." That, "Ed FitzGerald is the only candidate with a realistic chance to defeat Mayor George in November"
These comments come from a memo issued by a underground group calling themselves "Republicans for FitzGerald." Its funny that the leader of the Lakewood Democratic Club would collude with a Republican group. I guess anything goes when you are desperate to win.
So what are the real stats on this race? Well, only one candidate reported a poll on his campaign finance report and that was me. Our numbers show the following:
Thomas J. George 40%
Ryan Patrick Demro 18%
Ed FitzGerald 12%
Undecided 32%
This poll was assuming a general election, not a primary. In primary elections the propensity of voters are party voters. In this case Ed is an Independent. Independents don't win. So the majority of Democrats will vote for Tom, the majority of Republicans vote for me, and Ed loses. Anything else defies political science. I am sorry for those of you that Ed has fooled into believing otherwise and for the few of you that gave him money.
Lately there is talk that is being spread by a certain campaign that, "...you should not cast a "protest vote" in this election." That, "Ed FitzGerald is the only candidate with a realistic chance to defeat Mayor George in November"
These comments come from a memo issued by a underground group calling themselves "Republicans for FitzGerald." Its funny that the leader of the Lakewood Democratic Club would collude with a Republican group. I guess anything goes when you are desperate to win.
So what are the real stats on this race? Well, only one candidate reported a poll on his campaign finance report and that was me. Our numbers show the following:
Thomas J. George 40%
Ryan Patrick Demro 18%
Ed FitzGerald 12%
Undecided 32%
This poll was assuming a general election, not a primary. In primary elections the propensity of voters are party voters. In this case Ed is an Independent. Independents don't win. So the majority of Democrats will vote for Tom, the majority of Republicans vote for me, and Ed loses. Anything else defies political science. I am sorry for those of you that Ed has fooled into believing otherwise and for the few of you that gave him money.
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Paul Schrimpf
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I'm going to give the nod to Undecided winning, as all she/he has to do is steal a handful of votes from each of the other three candidates and they're in.
One third undecided? This speaks volumes about how effectively the campaigns are communicating differences among candidates. The promise of technology as the great wellspring of information, the great enabler to truth is once again proved to be a sham. Nothing but more noise in an already noise-filled room.
Perhaps Undecided can weigh in on crime. Undecided, could you please respond?
One third undecided? This speaks volumes about how effectively the campaigns are communicating differences among candidates. The promise of technology as the great wellspring of information, the great enabler to truth is once again proved to be a sham. Nothing but more noise in an already noise-filled room.
Perhaps Undecided can weigh in on crime. Undecided, could you please respond?
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Steve Hoffert
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stephen davis
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Re: Why Ed Can't Win...
Ryan,Ryan Patrick Demro wrote:Observers,
Lately there is talk that is being spread by a certain campaign that, "...you should not cast a "protest vote" in this election." That, "Ed FitzGerald is the only candidate with a realistic chance to defeat Mayor George in November"
These comments come from a memo issued by a underground group calling themselves "Republicans for FitzGerald." Its funny that the leader of the Lakewood Democratic Club would collude with a Republican group. I guess anything goes when you are desperate to win.
So what are the real stats on this race? Well, only one candidate reported a poll on his campaign finance report and that was me. Our numbers show the following:
Thomas J. George 40%
Ryan Patrick Demro 18%
Ed FitzGerald 12%
Undecided 32%
This poll was assuming a general election, not a primary. In primary elections the propensity of voters are party voters. In this case Ed is an Independent. Independents don't win. So the majority of Democrats will vote for Tom, the majority of Republicans vote for me, and Ed loses. Anything else defies political science. I am sorry for those of you that Ed has fooled into believing otherwise and for the few of you that gave him money.
This is one of the most ridiculous posts that I've ever read on the Observation Deck, but hey, I don't have the data or credentials to say "Anything else defies political science."
I guess we'll know soon enough.
Go get 'em Tiger.
Steve
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Used to be the heart of town.
Don't tell me this town ain't got no heart.
You just gotta poke around.
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Stephen Eisel
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Re: Why Ed Can't Win...
Ryan Patrick Demro wrote:Observers,
Lately there is talk that is being spread by a certain campaign that, "...you should not cast a "protest vote" in this election." That, "Ed FitzGerald is the only candidate with a realistic chance to defeat Mayor George in November"
These comments come from a memo issued by a underground group calling themselves "Republicans for FitzGerald." Its funny that the leader of the Lakewood Democratic Club would collude with a Republican group. I guess anything goes when you are desperate to win.
So what are the real stats on this race? Well, only one candidate reported a poll on his campaign finance report and that was me. Our numbers show the following:
Thomas J. George 40%
Ryan Patrick Demro 18%
Ed FitzGerald 12%
Undecided 32%
This poll was assuming a general election, not a primary. In primary elections the propensity of voters are party voters. In this case Ed is an Independent. Independents don't win. So the majority of Democrats will vote for Tom, the majority of Republicans vote for me, and Ed loses. Anything else defies political science. I am sorry for those of you that Ed has fooled into believing otherwise and for the few of you that gave him money.
Ryan
Welcome back. I thought when I got your letter saying "I will never use the Observer again." I would not see another post. Well what can I say...
Except, are you even stable enough to be mayor?
This, was the most ridiculous thing I have seen you post since your days of wasting money moving flag poles!
I was also extremely disappointed to see you grab the tragedy of the shooting on Detroit and try to turn it into political hay desperately trying to get elected.
So you strike a deal with Ed FitzGerald. Now the night before the election, you lay in the bed you made, and feel the lumps.
Unbelievable.
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Stephen Eisel
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Richard Cole
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Re: Why Ed Can't Win...
I saw them. They had shadows. I think that means another month of electioneering.Ryan Patrick Demro wrote:Observers,
Lately there is talk that is being spread by a certain campaign that, "...you should not cast a "protest vote" in this election." That, "Ed FitzGerald is the only candidate with a realistic chance to defeat Mayor George in November"
These comments come from a memo issued by a underground group calling themselves "Republicans for FitzGerald."
There are so many things in Demro's post that smack of a desperate candidate, willing to try anything, hoping that something sticks. On Primary Eve, such a post full of innuendo's and smearing of a city council colleague, does not succeed in convincing me that this is in any way a viable candidate for Mayor of our city.
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Stephen Eisel
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Stephen Eisel wrote:Jim, do you have any proof?So you strike a deal with Ed FitzGerald. Now the night before the election, you lay in the bed you made, and feel the lumps.
Unbelievable.
Stephen
Let's look no farther than the 5 "debates." This is not illegal and it makes sense for two to work together to take down an incumbent.
I merely posted that now, like in the game of Risk it would seem one has panicked.
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Jim O'Bryan
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
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Stephen Eisel
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One has panicked! Why drag Ed into this?Jim O'Bryan wrote:Stephen Eisel wrote:Jim, do you have any proof?So you strike a deal with Ed FitzGerald. Now the night before the election, you lay in the bed you made, and feel the lumps.
Unbelievable.
Stephen
Let's look no farther than the 5 "debates." This is not illegal and it makes sense for two to work together to take down an incumbent.
I merely posted that now, like in the game of Risk it would seem one has panicked.
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Bret Callentine
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I think this is the first time I've ever seen a candidate tout the fact that they are a distant third in the polls. Trailing not only the incumbent, but the ever popular "undecided"
Actually, I'm still one of the undecided, but at least now (after reading this post) I can honestly say, I'm only undecided about two of the three candidates.
Actually, I'm still one of the undecided, but at least now (after reading this post) I can honestly say, I'm only undecided about two of the three candidates.
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Gary Rice
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Well, I do have Political Science credentials, and in a way, I do understand Ryan's frustration, and his thinking behind all of this. No one likes to feel blind-sided on election eve.
As a Republican, Ryan should theoretically be able to count on a solid demographic base of support, whereas Ed's base, at first glance, seems to be more in question to me.
Still, as I look at Ryan's projected outcomes, based on my own guesswork alone, I would still look at the Ed/Ryan race as being too close to call. Ed seems to have quite a few well-organized supporters.
Should either Ryan or Ed have done anything differently?
Which one, if either, was able to establish a more credible challenge?
Tomorrow will tell the tale.
As a Republican, Ryan should theoretically be able to count on a solid demographic base of support, whereas Ed's base, at first glance, seems to be more in question to me.
Still, as I look at Ryan's projected outcomes, based on my own guesswork alone, I would still look at the Ed/Ryan race as being too close to call. Ed seems to have quite a few well-organized supporters.
Should either Ryan or Ed have done anything differently?
Which one, if either, was able to establish a more credible challenge?
Tomorrow will tell the tale.
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Tim Carroll
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Well in my copy of the memo, at least the four individuals got something right about this campaign. "Lakewood Republicans are nearly unanimous in their opposition to the current mayor's fiscal and crime policies, and we desperately need a new mayor to address these challenges"
I love the part at the end of the memo:
We need a new mayor as soon as possible, and Ed Fitzgerald is quite frankly, our only chance at achieving that this year. We urge you to join us in supporting him"
Gotta love politics -- often creates strange bedfellows!
Just think we will have another month of these charges and counter charges!
I love the part at the end of the memo:
We need a new mayor as soon as possible, and Ed Fitzgerald is quite frankly, our only chance at achieving that this year. We urge you to join us in supporting him"
Gotta love politics -- often creates strange bedfellows!
Just think we will have another month of these charges and counter charges!
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Stephen Eisel
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