Kucinich hospitalized with apparent food poisoning

Jim O'Bryan · Post by **Jim O'Bryan** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:23 am

Ryan Salo wrote:Wow Jim so now George Bush has destroyed Cleveland. What the heck, don't blame local leaders lets pass the buck.

I guess that is the easiest option since democrats have been in charge of the county for years and obviously democrats can't be blamed.

But what do I know, I am just a "right-winged Christian".

Love it.

Ryan

The war, has taken the country to the point of bankruptcy.

Do you really believe that it has had ZERO impact on the country, the state or the region?

Between that and No Child Left Behind, the country is in dire shape.

OK let's see who voted against the War? Oh wow Congressman Kucinich.

Who has been against NCLB, Oh wow Congressman Kucinich.

While I doubt that Jesus would have approved of the war, the militant side of the Christian aka "right winged" must accept some of the responsibility for the mess we are in overseas.

Would you not agree?

FWIW

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Todd Shapiro · Post by **Todd Shapiro** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:50 am

The "Right-wing Christians" must be the only ones who have noticed that the aforementioned Representative has the distinction of being the only mayor in America to lead his city into default since the Great Depression, or is that just another example of hate speech ( aka truth). I think insightful and informed people can agree to disagree about the war in Iraq, BUT what has the 10th district of Ohio received from its globetrotting "Representative" in recent years?

Grace O'Malley · Post by **Grace O'Malley** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:56 am

Don't bother with the "default" propaganda because that's all that really is.

Anyone who can read and comprehend what they read knows what really happened at that time and it was all manipulation and dirty dealing by our revered bankers and business leaders that caused that situation, not Dennis.

That misinformation, that Dennis bumbled and led the city into default, has been used against him for all these many years. Its not true nor deserved.

Ryan Salo · Post by **Ryan Salo** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:56 am

This was not a war post, we can debate that elsewhere if you want. All I know is that Cleveland was in bad shape before Bush and the war, and it will continue to be after if our leaders would rather stick with status quo and spend money on useless buildings rather than make real change.

But why make real change when voters are ok with a politician that sends letters. If the public accepts poor performance why should they have to make tough changes.

It also always amazes me that it seems like most of the top 10 poorest cities are all run by Democrats. When will people realize that the handouts won't work?

"You are poor, but we can help....maybe someday in the future"

I guess people elect them to fix the problems, but maybe they just make them worse?

Grace O'Malley · Post by **Grace O'Malley** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:59 am

Handouts sure seem to work well for those big corporations.

Ryan Salo · Post by **Ryan Salo** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:02 pm

Hmm, lets let corporations shut down and lay off 1000's of workers?

I am not for handouts, but doesn't it make sense that if you are going to give money away give it to those employing people that actually work for a living?

If the companies didn't take the handouts and had to shut down you would probably be protesting all the layoffs and saying it isn't fair that people are losing their retirements.

Ivor Karabatkovic · Post by **Ivor Karabatkovic** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:11 pm

"You are poor, but we can help....maybe someday in the future"

That's better than "We will help you" and never do.

There's a difference between not being able to, and not being able to and misleading the public (by lying to them) into believing you will.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:14 pm

The unemployment rate is 4.5%.. The Dow hit 14,000 on 7-17-07... Interest rates are still reasonable. Is this a bad economy?

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:16 pm

Grace O'Malley wrote:Handouts sure seem to work well for those big corporations.

and many more tax deductions... I wish that I could deduct all of my expenses on my taxes.... just sayin.. I would say that the US Tax is unfair not that corps get more hand outs.

Ivor Karabatkovic · Post by **Ivor Karabatkovic** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:17 pm

unemployment rate is very reasonable.

The Dow hit 14,000 on 7-17-07... Interest rates are still reasonable. Is this a bad economy?

Not everyone has money to invest in stocks or property. The thing with the US is that if you're poor, you can't get rich (unless you have a stroke of luck) and if you're rich you can easily get richer.

the stock market and buying property is what enables that.

But speaking of economy, it's not a bad economy. The dollar is weak, but the US passport isn't. Most people don't come here for money, rather for getting the US passport so that they can visit family.

Phil Florian · Post by **Phil Florian** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:21 pm

Stephen Eisel wrote:The unemployment rate is 4.5%.. The Dow hit 14,000 on 7-17-07... Interest rates are still reasonable. Is this a bad economy?

Asked a different way, should this have been included in the article about Kucinich's illness? That and box scores?

More to your question though, shouldn't it be asked the other way, too? Is this a good economy?

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:21 pm

Ivor Karabatkovic wrote:unemployment rate is very reasonable.

The Dow hit 14,000 on 7-17-07... Interest rates are still reasonable. Is this a bad economy?
Not everyone has money to invest in stocks or property. The thing with the US is that if you're poor, you can't get rich (unless you have a stroke of luck) and if you're rich you can easily get richer.

the stock market and buying property is what enables that.

But speaking of economy, it's not a bad economy. The dollar is weak, but the US passport isn't. Most people don't come here for money, rather for getting the US passport so that they can visit family.

But is not the stock market a good barometer of how most publicly traded companies are doing? Does not the Dow hittting 14,000 demonstrates a healthy economy?

sharon kinsella · Post by **sharon kinsella** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:28 pm

Sure do have that low unemployment rate. Minimum wage jobs are just about the only jobs that have been created.

People work twice as hard for less and less.

Dow Jones - How nice for people who are rich enough to invest and not have to put bread and butter on the table - but - heaven forbid they get help from the government, then they are the underclass and people who use the system. Unlike the upstanding corporations who continue to make large profits off the sweat off others and then write it off so working class people can carry the burden.

Go into the Cleveland, the city that so many around here dislike and see the booming effects of the great economy.

sharon kinsella · Post by **sharon kinsella** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:33 pm

Also - just looked it up, Dennis has been present for 98.3% of the vote. Only presidential candidate up that high on the list. How is that for a globetrotter?

Ivor Karabatkovic · Post by **Ivor Karabatkovic** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:33 pm

siiiiiiii.

Stephen you're right, to me at least.

I'm not worried about the economy as much as I am about jobs and getting Lakewood to make a new rule that you can't park closer than 50 feet to a inersection or side street.

I risk my life every time I leave my street and try to go on Madison since I can't see the cars coming from both directions. The parked cars block my view.