Wyandotte Freeway Now Open!
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Rick Uldricks
Wyandotte Freeway Now Open!
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Brad Babcock
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Wyandotte Freeway
I know about that stop sign. I nearly got the front end cleaned off my car this past weekend by by a pickup-truck that just bombed right through.
Being a Wyandotte resident, I sometimes fantasize about having bought some bowling balls at auction from the bowling alley that closed-up on the opposite side of Lakewood Heights Blvd. 7-8 years ago. Bowling for speeders?
Just fantasy mind you. The core goal here is safety, and that would be pretty counter-productive. Anyone who reads this please remember that Wyandotte (like many Lakewood streets) is narrow and has lots of street parking.
Those who live on the parking side have little or no visibility entering the street in low vehicles (any normal car). I always back into the driveway to avoid having to back into traffic. Even so, with 2 or 3 SUV or minivans parked in a row, pulling out of the driveway can be a "hail Marry" proposition. I'd be interested to know how many cars have been walloped by passing speeders as they pull our of their driveways.
Might there be a solution? Limiting the number of tall vehicles that can park in a row? Other than intensive radar patrols, I don't know how to limit the speeds. I'd prefer that people just slow down rather than after-the fact punishment.
Just my Wyandotte traffic rant.
Being a Wyandotte resident, I sometimes fantasize about having bought some bowling balls at auction from the bowling alley that closed-up on the opposite side of Lakewood Heights Blvd. 7-8 years ago. Bowling for speeders?
Just fantasy mind you. The core goal here is safety, and that would be pretty counter-productive. Anyone who reads this please remember that Wyandotte (like many Lakewood streets) is narrow and has lots of street parking.
Those who live on the parking side have little or no visibility entering the street in low vehicles (any normal car). I always back into the driveway to avoid having to back into traffic. Even so, with 2 or 3 SUV or minivans parked in a row, pulling out of the driveway can be a "hail Marry" proposition. I'd be interested to know how many cars have been walloped by passing speeders as they pull our of their driveways.
Might there be a solution? Limiting the number of tall vehicles that can park in a row? Other than intensive radar patrols, I don't know how to limit the speeds. I'd prefer that people just slow down rather than after-the fact punishment.
Just my Wyandotte traffic rant.
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Rick Uldricks
Speed bumps
no problems here.
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Danielle Masters
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I'd be a huge supporter for speed bumps on these north/south streets like wyandotte. I used to live on Lakeland in between Detroit and Hilliard - the problem was the same.
I would love speed humps on the road. When we lived in Arizona our entire subdivision had speed humps. It really kept the speed down. I think it would be wonderful idea. I can't imagine it would be that expensive either. I would definitely want them on our street. We live on the small section of Arthur between Franklin and Madison. I swear people can reach 40 mph in that small stretch. Just slow down people. Please.
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Jim O'Bryan
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Danielle Masters wrote:I'd be a huge supporter for speed bumps on these north/south streets like wyandotte. I used to live on Lakeland in between Detroit and Hilliard - the problem was the same.
I would love speed humps on the road. When we lived in Arizona our entire subdivision had speed humps. It really kept the speed down. I think it would be wonderful idea. I can't imagine it would be that expensive either. I would definitely want them on our street. We live on the small section of Arthur between Franklin and Madison. I swear people can reach 40 mph in that small stretch. Just slow down people. Please.
Danielle
One reason, snow plows?
The city has some of those speed check signs that always keep me in check. the ones that show how fast you are going. Also a more vigilant force, but I have no knowledge of if they are spread thin.
Funny how we think about this. I live on a major street, and I have seen entire nights go by where no one stops at the stop sign. I mean no one. I will admit as the night goes on, we start counting creeping as a non stop.
It would be a gold mine.
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If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
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Danielle Masters
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Rick Uldricks
speed plows
The use of snow plows is probably a good argument against speed bumps, but I can't help but wonder how streets that do have speed bumps deal with snow removal. Perhaps they simply aren't plowed, I don't know.
The best solution to the speeding problem on these n/s cut-thru streets would be enforcement of the posted speed limit (25 mph on most streets). I really don't think that the portable, digital "your speed is" signs are effective. Drivers can see them from a block away, and sometimes that doesn't compel them to slow down to 25mph. I think the most effective strategy would be for police officers to park on these n/s streets with their radar guns ready and start writing tickets. Not on Bunts, not on Warren, but on streets like Wyandotte. After word gets out that tickets are being written, people will think twice before they try to save a little time by cutting thru a residential street and speeding.
The best solution to the speeding problem on these n/s cut-thru streets would be enforcement of the posted speed limit (25 mph on most streets). I really don't think that the portable, digital "your speed is" signs are effective. Drivers can see them from a block away, and sometimes that doesn't compel them to slow down to 25mph. I think the most effective strategy would be for police officers to park on these n/s streets with their radar guns ready and start writing tickets. Not on Bunts, not on Warren, but on streets like Wyandotte. After word gets out that tickets are being written, people will think twice before they try to save a little time by cutting thru a residential street and speeding.
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Todd Shaw
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I'm all for people not going 35-50mph down the 25mph north-south streets, but i dont think speed bumps would be the answer, for one reason, a car going 25mph that hits a speed bump could cause serious damage to the car, and earlier it was mentioned that it these were used in an Arizona subdivision, but from my experience most sub-divisions are 10-15mph and if a car if going the speed limit then, the damage caused wouldn't be as severe.
As to not having police cars on Bunts, i have to disagree with that. I grew up on Bunts and know for a fact that many of the cars that drive down the street go far faster than the 25mph speed limit. I've seen the police cars pull alot of cars over for speeding and feel that they are serving a good cause on this street, which is heavily used by traffic, and, is a very residential street.
Streets like Hall(between Detroit and Clifton) that a barely wide enough for two cars to drive on, become even harder to drive on when there are cars parked on the street. This not only becomes a hazard for the parked cars, the cars driving on the street, but also for the residents of the street, who like mentioned earlier must have a hard time pulling out of there driveways when cars are parked.
A solution would be to have police cars move more randomly onto side streets that have had heavy traffic over recent weeks and months, as well as historically.
As to not having police cars on Bunts, i have to disagree with that. I grew up on Bunts and know for a fact that many of the cars that drive down the street go far faster than the 25mph speed limit. I've seen the police cars pull alot of cars over for speeding and feel that they are serving a good cause on this street, which is heavily used by traffic, and, is a very residential street.
Streets like Hall(between Detroit and Clifton) that a barely wide enough for two cars to drive on, become even harder to drive on when there are cars parked on the street. This not only becomes a hazard for the parked cars, the cars driving on the street, but also for the residents of the street, who like mentioned earlier must have a hard time pulling out of there driveways when cars are parked.
A solution would be to have police cars move more randomly onto side streets that have had heavy traffic over recent weeks and months, as well as historically.
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Brad Babcock
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speed bumps
Tempting as they may be, speed bumps can be troublesome. I have an old Triumph roadster that doesn't deal well with speed bumps at walking speed. It is also notable that while Wyandotte was under construction cars still went down the street at high speed.
It was sometimes amusing to hear the load crunches and bangs, but scary that the drivers still "kept their foot in it" despite the obvious damage they were doing to their own cars, and the huge dust cloud that arose behind them.
One positive side effect is that people are not quite back in the habit of parking on the street. My next-door neighbor, who used to park on the street had his car run-into twice during the summer.
Unfortunately, Police enforcement seems to be the primary tool. That is not to slight the Police, but it sure would be nice if it weren't necessary. It might be interesting to start tracking the license plates of those who cut through the North/South streets at speed, to see just how local they are. Maybe a post-card saying "Please slow down". The fact that they are recognized may affect some. Others just don't care or are not even aware of their speed. I guess they are the most frightening.
It was sometimes amusing to hear the load crunches and bangs, but scary that the drivers still "kept their foot in it" despite the obvious damage they were doing to their own cars, and the huge dust cloud that arose behind them.
One positive side effect is that people are not quite back in the habit of parking on the street. My next-door neighbor, who used to park on the street had his car run-into twice during the summer.
Unfortunately, Police enforcement seems to be the primary tool. That is not to slight the Police, but it sure would be nice if it weren't necessary. It might be interesting to start tracking the license plates of those who cut through the North/South streets at speed, to see just how local they are. Maybe a post-card saying "Please slow down". The fact that they are recognized may affect some. Others just don't care or are not even aware of their speed. I guess they are the most frightening.
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Phil Florian
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What about Citizen Enforcement! Give each street a radar gun and camera for some random ticketing! I live on Northland south of Hilliard and while not clearly a short cut, lots of folks decide to burn down the street, especially during the warmer months. We have lots of little kids on the street and it is scary to have them play out front, even with supervision.
What about temporary speed bumps? Don't they have big old rubber wedges that can be placed during non-plow season? Maybe move them around from time to time. The only time we have police on our street is when there is some domestic violence issue a block down from us (bi-weekly in warmer weather). Oh, and the block parties!
Any stats on accidents or injuries related to speeding in Lakewood? Is it a problem or just a fear?
I live on Northland south of Hilliard and while not clearly a short cut, lots of folks decide to burn down the street, especially during the warmer months. We have lots of little kids on the street and it is scary to have them play out front, even with supervision.
What about temporary speed bumps? Don't they have big old rubber wedges that can be placed during non-plow season? Maybe move them around from time to time. The only time we have police on our street is when there is some domestic violence issue a block down from us (bi-weekly in warmer weather). Oh, and the block parties!
Any stats on accidents or injuries related to speeding in Lakewood? Is it a problem or just a fear?
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Brad Babcock
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speed
A little citizen action does sound tempting, but it needs to be done right.
No bowling balls.
It would take a video camera, a radar gun, and proper training to use the radar gun to gather evidence that could be turned-over to the Police. Any effort in that direction would need to be absolutely above-board, and in co-operation with the authorities.
I too would be curious research some statistics on speed related accidents on Lakewood's side-streets. There are a lot of factors that would have to be controlled for, but the end result might be pretty shocking. It might also help identify some other factors in the accidents.
As it stands, if you back out of your driveway, and a speeder hits you, you have violated their right-of-way, and will probably be cited. That is true even if there are three minivans an SUV, and a pick-up truck parked on your side of the street, making visibility near zero from the driveway.
No bowling balls.
It would take a video camera, a radar gun, and proper training to use the radar gun to gather evidence that could be turned-over to the Police. Any effort in that direction would need to be absolutely above-board, and in co-operation with the authorities.
I too would be curious research some statistics on speed related accidents on Lakewood's side-streets. There are a lot of factors that would have to be controlled for, but the end result might be pretty shocking. It might also help identify some other factors in the accidents.
As it stands, if you back out of your driveway, and a speeder hits you, you have violated their right-of-way, and will probably be cited. That is true even if there are three minivans an SUV, and a pick-up truck parked on your side of the street, making visibility near zero from the driveway.