Hi,
I'm for individual freedoms and rights we are used to. The Patriot Act was passed and repassed to harm our freedoms and rights in ways that could easily turn America into a Police State.
One Library is fighting the abuse in court. Which Library? Well, The Patriot Act is preventing it's name to be made public.
Llibrary sues over controversial Patriot Act
Fighting the US Government is a daunting task for 1 library. But I wonder if all the libraries (or at least the majority) joined this cause. Maybe just one more Library would help ours join in.
Where does our Lakewood Library stand on this issue?
Will Lkwd Library follow suit & attempt to protect us?
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Donald Farris
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Kenneth Warren
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Don:
While I am a card carrying member of the ACLU, I am sworn to uphold the law. I am also a pragmatist.
In terms of practice, therefore, Lakewood Public Library maintains a minimalist approach to patron borrowing records. That is to say, we do not keep long term files or customer profiles on what you read or view.
Our only borrowing records indicate what you currently have on loan. Once an item is returned, we drop it from the record. Therefore there is no rich data mine of historical reading preferences for any agency to troll.
Although library computer systems provide sophisticated customer data mining options based on past borrowing, I believe that the minimalist approach to borrowing records is the best protection of a person's reading and viewing transactions.
Why would the government go on a fishing expedition if there is nothing to catch?
Some public libraries may have practices that stock the customer data pool with big fish, at least in the eyes of Patriot Act type fisherman.
In Lakewood Public Library we obey the law; we don't stock the pond.
I realize my fishy gap reflex won't land me in jail and take me as far as you might like me to go.
That's the pragmatic answer.
Kenneth Warren
While I am a card carrying member of the ACLU, I am sworn to uphold the law. I am also a pragmatist.
In terms of practice, therefore, Lakewood Public Library maintains a minimalist approach to patron borrowing records. That is to say, we do not keep long term files or customer profiles on what you read or view.
Our only borrowing records indicate what you currently have on loan. Once an item is returned, we drop it from the record. Therefore there is no rich data mine of historical reading preferences for any agency to troll.
Although library computer systems provide sophisticated customer data mining options based on past borrowing, I believe that the minimalist approach to borrowing records is the best protection of a person's reading and viewing transactions.
Why would the government go on a fishing expedition if there is nothing to catch?
Some public libraries may have practices that stock the customer data pool with big fish, at least in the eyes of Patriot Act type fisherman.
In Lakewood Public Library we obey the law; we don't stock the pond.
I realize my fishy gap reflex won't land me in jail and take me as far as you might like me to go.
That's the pragmatic answer.
Kenneth Warren
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Donald Farris
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Hi,
1 small step for Liberty in America!
"Federal Judge Janet Hall ruled today that the FBI lift a gag order that prevented librarians who received FBI demands for records from speaking out about the Patriot Act. The decision has been stayed until September 20, pending appeal."
Mr. Warren you can now speak more freely. But do it quickly, you have 11 days.
1 small step for Liberty in America!
"Federal Judge Janet Hall ruled today that the FBI lift a gag order that prevented librarians who received FBI demands for records from speaking out about the Patriot Act. The decision has been stayed until September 20, pending appeal."
Mr. Warren you can now speak more freely. But do it quickly, you have 11 days.
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Operator: Thank you for calling Pizza
Hut. May I have your national ID number?
Customer: Hi, I'd like to place an order.
Operator: I must have your NIDN first, sir.
Customer: My National ID Number, yeah, hold on, eh, it's 6102049998-45-54610.
Operator: Thank you Mr. Smith. I see you live at 1742 Meadowland Drive, and the phone number is 494-2366. Your office number over at Lincoln Insurance is 745- 2302 and your cell number is 266-2566. Email address is smith@home.net Which number are you calling from?
Customer: Huh? I'm at home. Where'd you get all this information?
Operator: We're wired into the HSS, sir.
Customer: The HSS, what is that?
Operator: We're wired into the Homeland Security System, sir. This will add only 15 seconds to your ordering time.
Customer: (sighs) Oh well, I'd like to order a couple of your All Meat Special pizzas.
Operator: I don't think that's a good idea, sir.
Customer: Whaddya mean?
Operator: Sir, your medical records and commode sensors indicate that you've got very high blood pressure and extremely high cholesterol. Your National Health Care provider won't allow such an unhealthy choice .
Customer: What?!?! What do you recommend, then?
Operator: You might try our low-fat Soybean Pizza.I'm sure you'll like it.
Customer: What makes you think I'd like something like that?
Operator: Well, you checked out 'Gourmet Soybean Recipes' from your local library last week, sir. That's why I made the suggestion.
Customer: All right, all right. Give me two family-sized ones, then
Operator: That should be plenty for you, your wife and your four kids. Your 2 dogs can finish the crusts, sir. Your total is $49.99.
Customer: Lemme give you my credit card number.
Operator: I'm sorry sir, but I'm afraid you'll have to pay in cash. Your credit card balance is over its limit.
Customer: I'll run over to the ATM and get some cash before your driver gets here.
Operator: That won't work either, sir. Your checking account is overdrawn also.
Customer: Never mind! Just send the pizzas. I'll have the cash ready. How long will it take?
Operator: We're running a little behind, sir. It'll be about 45 minutes, sir. If you're in a hurry you might want to pick'em up while you're out getting the cash, but then, carrying pizzas on a motorcycle can be a little awkward.
Customer: Wait! How do you know I ride a scooter?
Operator: It says here you're in arrears on your car payments, so your car got repo'ed. But your Harley's paid for and you just filled the tank yesterday.
Customer: Well, I'll be a #%#^^&$%^$@#
Operator: I'd advise watching your language, sir. You've already got a July 4, 2003, conviction for cussing out a cop and another one I see here in September for contempt at your hearing for cussing at a judge. Oh yes, I see here that you just got out from a 90 day stay in the State Correctional Facility. Is this your first pizza since your return to society?
Customer: (speechless)
Operator: Will there be anything else, sir?
Customer: Yes, I have a coupon for a free 2 liter of Coke.
Operator: I'm sorry sir, but our ad's exclusionary clause prevents us from offering free soda to diabetics. The New Constitution our country started using in 2006 prohibits this. Thank you for calling Pizza Hut!
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(Courtesy of R.A. Wilson)
Hut. May I have your national ID number?
Customer: Hi, I'd like to place an order.
Operator: I must have your NIDN first, sir.
Customer: My National ID Number, yeah, hold on, eh, it's 6102049998-45-54610.
Operator: Thank you Mr. Smith. I see you live at 1742 Meadowland Drive, and the phone number is 494-2366. Your office number over at Lincoln Insurance is 745- 2302 and your cell number is 266-2566. Email address is smith@home.net Which number are you calling from?
Customer: Huh? I'm at home. Where'd you get all this information?
Operator: We're wired into the HSS, sir.
Customer: The HSS, what is that?
Operator: We're wired into the Homeland Security System, sir. This will add only 15 seconds to your ordering time.
Customer: (sighs) Oh well, I'd like to order a couple of your All Meat Special pizzas.
Operator: I don't think that's a good idea, sir.
Customer: Whaddya mean?
Operator: Sir, your medical records and commode sensors indicate that you've got very high blood pressure and extremely high cholesterol. Your National Health Care provider won't allow such an unhealthy choice .
Customer: What?!?! What do you recommend, then?
Operator: You might try our low-fat Soybean Pizza.I'm sure you'll like it.
Customer: What makes you think I'd like something like that?
Operator: Well, you checked out 'Gourmet Soybean Recipes' from your local library last week, sir. That's why I made the suggestion.
Customer: All right, all right. Give me two family-sized ones, then
Operator: That should be plenty for you, your wife and your four kids. Your 2 dogs can finish the crusts, sir. Your total is $49.99.
Customer: Lemme give you my credit card number.
Operator: I'm sorry sir, but I'm afraid you'll have to pay in cash. Your credit card balance is over its limit.
Customer: I'll run over to the ATM and get some cash before your driver gets here.
Operator: That won't work either, sir. Your checking account is overdrawn also.
Customer: Never mind! Just send the pizzas. I'll have the cash ready. How long will it take?
Operator: We're running a little behind, sir. It'll be about 45 minutes, sir. If you're in a hurry you might want to pick'em up while you're out getting the cash, but then, carrying pizzas on a motorcycle can be a little awkward.
Customer: Wait! How do you know I ride a scooter?
Operator: It says here you're in arrears on your car payments, so your car got repo'ed. But your Harley's paid for and you just filled the tank yesterday.
Customer: Well, I'll be a #%#^^&$%^$@#
Operator: I'd advise watching your language, sir. You've already got a July 4, 2003, conviction for cussing out a cop and another one I see here in September for contempt at your hearing for cussing at a judge. Oh yes, I see here that you just got out from a 90 day stay in the State Correctional Facility. Is this your first pizza since your return to society?
Customer: (speechless)
Operator: Will there be anything else, sir?
Customer: Yes, I have a coupon for a free 2 liter of Coke.
Operator: I'm sorry sir, but our ad's exclusionary clause prevents us from offering free soda to diabetics. The New Constitution our country started using in 2006 prohibits this. Thank you for calling Pizza Hut!
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(Courtesy of R.A. Wilson)
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S. Galwey
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Here's the original version that comes across better IMO. http://www.aclu.org/pizza/
Stephen Calhoun wrote:Operator: Thank you for calling Pizza
Hut. May I have your national ID number?
Customer: Hi, I'd like to place an order.
Operator: I must have your NIDN first, sir.
(Courtesy of R.A. Wilson)
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Jim O'Bryan
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S. Galwey wrote:Here's the original version that comes across better IMO. http://www.aclu.org/pizza/
Excellent! But scary in a real sort of way.
Jim O'Bryan
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"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
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Mark Crnolatas
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Just a comment. When we had the PI business, for a price, there was literally nothing we could not find, from birth to passing, on anyone. Anyone licensed with the state, is able to do the same. Makes you feel all warm and snugly, doesn't it?
Mark Allan (Crnolatas)
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Mark Allan (Crnolatas)
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"A society or group of people exist soley in it's ability to maintain an atmosphere of peace and civility. It's failure is directly relative to the degree of the lack of these conditions".