The Observation Deck

Haven't heard much about the recent murder of a toddler on Robin Street. BirdTown used to be a lovely area, now it's saturated with CMHA subsidized units.

steve fecser wrote:Haven't heard much about the recent murder of a toddler on Robin Street. BirdTown used to be a lovely area, now it's saturated with CMHA subsidized units.

Here's a link that illustrates the dispersion. It may be a couple of years old but shows a concentration in the BirdTown area.

http://carrollforlakewood.blogspot.com/ ... kewod.html

This was posted about weeks ago but I'm interested in your need to put down everyone who needs a CMHA housing voucher.

Steve

I edited your post. First time ever.

The site you sent people to is much more responsible for the crime wave than the so called Section 8 people in this town.

I had two very good friends get hassled and all but move out of town because of that site. And it, along with some other Lakewood sites-- all run by the same malcontents--have had the lowering of property values, theft of copper pipe, and other activities attributed to them. Just ask the Chief of Police.

For the record, the largest concentration of Section 8 residents in Lakewood is still in the Barton Center/Westerly. Which is filled with good, honest people. Maybe you are not aware of this, but you cannot get Section 8 and be a criminal, but why let facts get in the way of a good rant, right? And the city, led by Tom Bullock has been very sharp to make sure anyone on Section 8 that is involved in any crime, gets their Section 8 qualification revoked and is forced to leave the house. It is the law. If you know of any offenders, please call your local councilperson and get them on it.

For the record, there is much more going on in this case.

But again why let facts get in the way of the "Slaughter of a City." You want to rant without facts, take it to one of the 4 sites the crime freaks run, and you too, can help send this city to hell in a hand basket.

Me, I prefer responsible reporting when it comes to crimes like this.

Simple questions: How many children does the woman have? Where are they? That might make you understand what I am talking about here.

THERE IS A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND NON-DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. Read the upcoming story and maybe, just maybe you will see that it is far better to work to make your neighborhood safe, then cry, “The sky is falling!” and report crime incorrectly.

FWIW.


FWIW.

Jim O'Bryan wrote:Steve

I edited your post. First time ever.

The site you sent people to is much more responsible for the crime wave than the so called Section 8 people in this town.

I had two very good friends get hassled and all but move out of town because of that site. And it, along with some other Lakewood sites-- all run by the same malcontents--have had the lowering of property values, theft of copper pipe, and other activities attributed to them. Just ask the Chief of Police.

For the record, the largest concentration of Section 8 residents in Lakewood is still in the Barton Center/Westerly. Which is filled with good, honest people. Maybe you are not aware of this, but you cannot get Section 8 and be a criminal, but why let facts get in the way of a good rant, right? And the city, led by Tom Bullock has been very sharp to make sure anyone on Section 8 that is involved in any crime, gets their Section 8 qualification revoked and is forced to leave the house. It is the law. If you know of any offenders, please call your local councilperson and get them on it.

For the record, there is much more going on in this case.

But again why let facts get in the way of the "Slaughter of a City." You want to rant without facts, take it to one of the 4 sites the crime freaks run, and you too, can help send this city to hell in a hand basket.

Me, I prefer responsible reporting when it comes to crimes like this.

Simple questions: How many children does the woman have? Where are they? That might make you understand what I am talking about here.

THERE IS A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND NON-DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. Read the upcoming story and maybe, just maybe you will see that it is far better to work to make your neighborhood safe, then cry, “The sky is falling!” and report crime incorrectly.


FWIW.

Who gets to censor you when you post inaccurate or deranged items?

I won't defend the original poster, as he seems to me to be off the rails, but if he misrepresents something, or cites a source you don't like, the best response is to post countervailing information or argument; not to climb onto your podium and assert that the rest of us are inferior and incapable of seeing the flaws in his argument. At least he presents his sources; another poster here is notably reluctant to post his sources, but not to tell us that he has a secret source that supports his arguments.

Will Brown wrote:
Who gets to censor you when you post inaccurate or deranged items?

I won't defend the original poster, as he seems to me to be off the rails, but if he misrepresents something, or cites a source you don't like, the best response is to post countervailing information or argument; not to climb onto your podium and assert that the rest of us are inferior and incapable of seeing the flaws in his argument. At least he presents his sources; another poster here is notably reluctant to post his sources, but not to tell us that he has a secret source that supports his arguments.

Will

You or anyone else can censor my posts, and it has happened to me in the past. This
was the first time I did it to someone else's. I answer to a board, actually 2 boards,
my advertisers, my legal department and members.

It is my understanding from the police that this case is far from closed, and that no
story is adding up, especially to the initial police report.

This has happened before on the Deck, with a high schooler being accused of rape, who
was tried and hung by others, before ever being charged. (HE WAS NEVER CHARGED.)
Two murder cases years ago, with blame on people who had nothing to do with it.

Cool heads need to prevail in all of this.

The source sighted is not solid. Never has been. They answer to no one. No board, no
community, no advertisers, no legal department, no one.

If you want more, stop by the office will show you everything I have.


FWIW

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Mr. O'Bryan,

This thread made me think of a couple questions :

Jim O'Bryan wrote:You or anyone else can censor my posts, and it has happened to me in the past.

How can we edit other's posts such as you did above?

Jim O'Bryan wrote:The source sighted is not solid.

Seems like this could be true for many of the items posted here (if sources are ever provided). Do those items get accessed and "edited"? Also, who determines if a source is not solid? I always thought 90% + of these types of boards were based on opinion.

J Hrlec wrote:Mr. O'Bryan,

This thread made me think of a couple questions :

Jim O'Bryan wrote:You or anyone else can censor my posts, and it has happened to me in the past.

How can we edit other's posts such as you did above?

Join one of the two boards, or email a board member. Or bring it to Jim DeVito's attention
who can then act on it or bring it to one's attention.

You have to be a little more vested in the project to do it instantly. One side of me
is very sorry for having had to do it. The other side of me remembers the BS some have put
this project through for their own very myopic plans, not to mention the harm they caused
to others. No other site in town offers such participation in the process.

For the record I did discuss this with key members of both boards. - Advisory and Community, so it was not simply an edit.

J Hrlec wrote:Mr. O'Bryan,
The source sighted is not solid.

Seems like this could be true for many of the items posted here (if sources are ever provided). Do those items get accessed and "edited"? Also, who determines if a source is not solid? I always thought 90% + of these types of boards were based on opinion.[/quote]

While it is true for many of the posts, I will just say other things in effect on this. Not to
mention that the Section 8 in Birdtown had nothing to do with this crime. And for people to
try to cash in with baseless attacks on the neighborhood seems a tad opportunistic.

Again from everything I know of this crime, location, others, outsiders, the neighborhood
had zero to do with it. 3 stories being told, they all add up to ZERO to do with Birdtown.

AS this is a crime under investigation, I am more than willing to wait for what the grand
jury comes up with instead of basing everything on a police report that offers no insight.

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Mr. O'Bryan,

Thanks for the prompt answers.

I do have a follow-up question:

1) Are those boards you mention LO related or city related?

I am somewhat playing devil's advocate to try to see what the underlying reasons are to act upon only this specific post. I did not realize that the Deck was a monitored / edited forum where only information (opinion) that fits the stakeholders point of view is acceptable. I mean it is a business's right, I just thought it was more 'open' and did not know.

Thank you again.

J Hrlec wrote:Mr. O'Bryan,

Thanks for the prompt answers.

I do have a follow-up question:

1) Are those boards you mention LO related or city related?

I am somewhat playing devil's advocate to try to see what the underlying reasons are to act upon only this specific post. I did not realize that the Deck was a monitored / edited forum where only information (opinion) that fits the stakeholders point of view is acceptable. I mean it is a business's right, I just thought it was more 'open' and did not know.

Thank you again.

J Hrlec

They are LO related. First I did not speak to entire boards, merely members. Though I
am sure it will come up at our meeting later this month.

These are not really regulated discussion boards. We really try to keep hands off, but every
once in awhile actions are taken, and unlike any other discussion board in this town, the
people taking the actions will be accountable.

One board is made up of the founders and early members, and are on the masthead, the
other Board is LOCAL, which was formed by no Advisory Board members, and we had
zero input on its members, nor did we wish to. This was to make the project more
accountable to the community, and their needs.

My original point is, while this is a terrible crime, to take advantage of this and other
terrible circumstances just turns my stomach. One could ask what was the purpose of
this entire thread. Well no one talking about a crime that is still under investigation here
even though it has nothing to do with Section 8 or Birdtown, troubles me. I hear behind
the scenes three different stories being told, and three different possibilities. But none
of them have any effect on Birdtown, with the possible exceptions of friends nearby who
I am sure understand the story.

Last night on Facebook I was reading a couple different post from people wanting to move
out because a baby was killed. This baby was not dragged off the street and killed. This
baby was in a terrible place, and probably never should have been there in the first place.
How does that have anything to do with Birdtown or Section 8.

Let's let the police and grand jury sort this one out.

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I agree that the police and prosecutor should handle this apparent crime. Jounalists should publish only what is conclusively known, and should avoid publishing anything that could poison the jury pool.

But when you play the yenta by printing what is and is not involved, you legitimize any one else who posts his or her own theories.

Will Brown wrote:I agree that the police and prosecutor should handle this apparent crime. Jounalists should publish only what is conclusively known, and should avoid publishing anything that could poison the jury pool.

But when you play the yenta by printing what is and is not involved, you legitimize any one else who posts his or her own theories.

Will

Not so worried about a jury pool in this one, but the point is well made. Civic journalism,
real civic journalism is better suited for some things not others.

All day I hear how others are getting things wrong. To me that is their world not mine.
However here, I take responsibility for my actions, and will live or die by them. I also have
a certain amount of responsibility to the community, especially those members of the
community that have taken the time to support or take part in this project. To be honest
my responsibility to LO supporters, advertisers, participants, and members far outweigh
my responsibility for anything else. The LO Board(s) have kept this project running and
healthy longer than any other project of this sort in the country. I am deeply indebted
to all who have helped, and care very little about those that have worked so hard to
tear this project down, take it over, put it out of business, and now try to tear the city
down just because they are pissed.

I am blessed with many friends and supporters in this city, and now elsewhere.

Lakewood is a good city, with good people, and it pains me when people sign on to the
Deck they read 2 year old murdered in Lakewood. Nothing more than a simple act of
destruction and throwing shit to see what trouble can be caused. It serves no one. No
one, not even the people flinging it.

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Jim O'Bryan wrote:Steve

I edited your post. First time ever.

The site you sent people to is much more responsible for the crime wave than the so called Section 8 people in this town.

I had two very good friends get hassled and all but move out of town because of that site. And it, along with some other Lakewood sites-- all run by the same malcontents--have had the lowering of property values, theft of copper pipe, and other activities attributed to them. Just ask the Chief of Police.

For the record, the largest concentration of Section 8 residents in Lakewood is still in the Barton Center/Westerly. Which is filled with good, honest people. Maybe you are not aware of this, but you cannot get Section 8 and be a criminal, but why let facts get in the way of a good rant, right? And the city, led by Tom Bullock has been very sharp to make sure anyone on Section 8 that is involved in any crime, gets their Section 8 qualification revoked and is forced to leave the house. It is the law. If you know of any offenders, please call your local councilperson and get them on it.

For the record, there is much more going on in this case.

But again why let facts get in the way of the "Slaughter of a City." You want to rant without facts, take it to one of the 4 sites the crime freaks run, and you too, can help send this city to hell in a hand basket.

Me, I prefer responsible reporting when it comes to crimes like this.

Simple questions: How many children does the woman have? Where are they? That might make you understand what I am talking about here.

THERE IS A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND NON-DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. Read the upcoming story and maybe, just maybe you will see that it is far better to work to make your neighborhood safe, then cry, “The sky is falling!” and report crime incorrectly.

FWIW.


FWIW.

Jim,

Thanks for the EDIT. I never intended to post that link and would have removed it myself had I known that I could. The diagram in that link, if I remember correctly, illustrated the number of foreclosures in Lakewood, not the number of CMHA susidized locations, which I immediately re-posted. Now don't forget to EDIT your "bitch list". Additionally, I am not familiar with these so-called malcontents that you speak of, or their devious websites and would never think I had the power to send people there, even unintentionally.

The Barton Center/Westerly to my knowledge, consists primarily of elderly/disabled individuals who are probably not the ones hacking catalytic convertors off cars in the parking lot. These are not the folks I'm referring too, but it's nice that you know all of them personally and can vouch for their integrity.

For your information, and the record, and to set the facts straight, you can have a criminal background and still hold a CMHA voucher. I know two individuals personally who have criminal histories, have spent time in the penitentiary and are living in BirdTown, courtesy of CMHA and your tax dollars. Are they involved in criminal activities now? I guess we won't know unless or until they're caught, if in fact they are active criminals. Stay tuned.

Also, for the record, there are several different voucher programs offered by CMHA. The recent influx of low income minorities into Lakewood are on the HCVP (Housing Choice Voucher Program) a.k.a. Moderate Re-hab program. CMHA contracts with property owners who in most cases have older apartment buildings and sometimes doubles. The modern high rise apartments like Barton Center/Westerly are designated for elderly/disabled participants.

As for the 2 year old that was murdered? I would lay 10 to 1 odds that the mother of the child or the alleged murderer, or both, are living in subsidized units.


---"If anything I've said is useful, I'm glad
---if not, just edit it."

steve fecser wrote:Haven't heard much about the recent murder of a toddler on Robin Street. BirdTown used to be a lovely area, now it's saturated with CMHA subsidized units.

If you wanted to start yet another “there goes Lakewood” post, that's just fine, but I think it’s reprehensible that you are using the tragic death of a child to illustrate that you apparently have a distaste for people who hold housing vouchers.

"influx of low income minorities", I think that's code for being a racist. It's pretty easy to figure out by the way you choose your words. And I agree with Esther, your thread is reprehensible.