Stephen Eisel wrote:President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. President Obama’s budget will add another $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016. Robinhood is now robbing the poor.. just saying
Stephen
Guess I am not as good at history as you, but I thought Obama came after Nixon.
Charlie Page wrote:Jim O'Bryan wrote:I'm dying!
Don't like accountability? How does Eisel do that?
I think most have been begging for accountability since Nixon, no matter who is president.
It wasn't the liberals who allowed a president to lie repeatedly while running up trillion dollar wars.
As for NCLB, I think the issue is teaching kids to pass known tests as opposed to teaching
kids to live and work in the real world on a wider variety of subjects.
But what would I know, I am not a liberal.
I'm a flaming liberal.
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I know you're a flaming liberal but please don’t die
Presidents are held accountable one time...after their first four years. I suppose one could be impeached, so that makes a maximum of two times.
But I'm not talking presidents being held accountable. The late Teddy Kennedy was lauded for his 'efforts' to improve education. Where has his 40 years of those efforts got us? Wacko's on the left coast want to cut science labs to fund remedial studies. It's the educational form of 'sharing the wealth'. Educational accountability needs to get pushed to parent level.
The nuclear liberal who came up with this idea is probably upset that his son/daughter is failing science lab (liberals don't like science either...unless they can manipulate the data to prove their liberal views – think global warming...er...climate change).
I'm glad I could provide you with a segue into another Bush rant.
NCLB isn't perfect. But it came into existence during the term of a Republican president. Therefore, the liberals don't like it. Regardless, the 'teaching kids to pass a test' excuse is a poor one. Based on that rationale, all schools should immediately stop all testing. No mid-terms, no finals. Everyone gets graded on intentions.
Charlie
Where to start?
Global warming. I believe that about 99.9% of all scientists now believe in global warming.
The major disagreement with some, about 18% last time I read is if it is human caused,
and can be corrected by human intervention.
NCLB, the question is do we teach our kids to hit a preconceived test known before the exam,
or do we teach kids to live in the ever changing world? I am not sure the, we only do this
test or no test concept ever you are throwing out, but it seems pretty extreme. But we might
live in different worlds. Mine is many colors and shades of gray. 16.8 billion is what they
say. It would seem that yours is more black and white, yes or no, up or down.
I can see many ways that schools have failed or will fail. One is I am of the belief that critical
thought should be taught as early as possible. Teach kids to ask the tough questions, and
really ponder the answers. Others think that kids do not need critical thought until later
in life. After all how early do you want to be asked the tough questions from children? I
also believe that there should be a way to teach physics earlier to children as all science
is ruled by physics so why teach that last? But that is here nor there is this discusssion.
Not knowing your experiences I can only speak of mine. Some of the teachers that taught
me the most, gave the least amount of tests. Others, tested often, and had very little
lasting impact on me. However I believe that testing is a good way for teachers to check
progress, perhaps teachers should be tested, and paid for results with kids. Like what
they know and how many move on in school and life. Not sure what it would do for America
but it seems a guage is needed. From what I am hearing NCLB is not the gauge.
Noe let me preface this by I rarely if ever ask what a person party affiliation is or if the are
liberal of conservative. I have general found that most people in my 16.8 billion color world
are a combination of thoughts, and deeds. There are some exceptions I suppose. It would
seem that you are a conservative R, Ryan Salo a conservative R, Ryan Demro has announced
"Blackwell Republican." I tend to think of myself as a Libertarian, with a huge streak of
social consciousness, that almost forbids me from walking away from those that need help.
Not the abusers of welfare, but those that are down on their luck, or simply unable to fend
for themselves.
I would go even farther to say that I am amazed by anyone that feels the current political
system is really working for anyone outside of the very wealthy and big business. In other
words those that can afford to buy influence.I was watching Ron Paul the other day, and
he once again nailed it saying that those on the inside at Washington, can plainly see it
is one party, with different figureheads, to add to the illusion of choice. I see Obama, as
an extension of Bush's policy with a little more soul, nothing more. As I said to Stephen
no one that works for US should be exempt from answering questions, and accountability.
You idea of once every four years, gives way to much leeway for big mistakes, and bad
management.
I hate yet to see a president in my lifetime, that has not screwed up badly. I have not seen
a two term president that has not screwed up really badly. Proving the old adage, "Absolute
power corrupts absolutely."
Time for America to get back on track, and serve the citizens.
FWIW
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Why wait until high school to provide remedial schooling?
