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Lakewood Alive - Get A Over Yourselves!

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:28 pm
by Pat Murphy
Alright I get it Lakewood Alive is Well! But do you have to put those damn ugly signs everywhere? Are you purposely trying to drive down property values all over the city? What is the connection between the schools and Lakewood Alive, and the Library? HOW MUCH IS THE CITY SPENDING on ghettoizing Lakewood through these egomaniacs??? Stop already. I demand a full accounting of city hall, the school, and the library on how much they are spending, and I want to see the Lakewood Alive books! This is ridiculous!

Re: Lakewood Alive - Get A Over Yourselves!

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:43 pm
by marklingm
Pat Murphy wrote:Alright I get it Lakewood Alive is Well! But do you have to put those damn ugly signs everywhere? Are you purposely trying to drive down property values all over the city? What is the connection between the schools and Lakewood Alive, and the Library? HOW MUCH IS THE CITY SPENDING on ghettoizing Lakewood through these egomaniacs??? Stop already. I demand a full accounting of city hall, the school, and the library on how much they are spending, and I want to see the Lakewood Alive books! This is ridiculous!


Pat,

The Lakewood City Schools are not formally associated with LakewoodAlive. While David C. Estrop was (and may still be) an at-large member of the LakewoodAlive Board of Directors, Estrop served in that role in his individual capacity as a citizen only and was never a representative of the Lakewood City Schools in any LakewoodAlive capacity. This is not a criticism of LakewoodAlive, it is just a factual response to your question. Again, this is not a criticism of LakewoodAlive.

Matt

Re: Lakewood Alive - Get A Over Yourselves!

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:46 pm
by Scott Meeson
Pat Murphy wrote:Alright I get it Lakewood Alive is Well! But do you have to put those damn ugly signs everywhere? Are you purposely trying to drive down property values all over the city? What is the connection between the schools and Lakewood Alive, and the Library? HOW MUCH IS THE CITY SPENDING on ghettoizing Lakewood through these egomaniacs??? Stop already. I demand a full accounting of city hall, the school, and the library on how much they are spending, and I want to see the Lakewood Alive books! This is ridiculous!



Wow!

That's one hell of a negative statement about a pretty positive organization in this city. Frankly, one's ego is what gets things done-in my opinion.... Lakewood Alive's tax return for the most recent fiscal year is available on request. It's a big boat-enjoy the ride that these movers and shakers provide. :D I like their signs, they provide a provocative inquiry/reminder into the activities of this coming weekend. Many who actually do live in the ghettos of our fine country would love to have the opportunity to attend such activities.

Re: Lakewood Alive - Get A Over Yourselves!

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:07 pm
by Pat Murphy
Scott Meeson wrote:
Pat Murphy wrote:Alright I get it Lakewood Alive is Well! But do you have to put those damn ugly signs everywhere? Are you purposely trying to drive down property values all over the city? What is the connection between the schools and Lakewood Alive, and the Library? HOW MUCH IS THE CITY SPENDING on ghettoizing Lakewood through these egomaniacs??? Stop already. I demand a full accounting of city hall, the school, and the library on how much they are spending, and I want to see the Lakewood Alive books! This is ridiculous!



Wow!

That's one hell of a negative statement about a pretty positive organization in this city. Frankly, one's ego is what gets things done-in my opinion.... Lakewood Alive's tax return for the most recent fiscal year is available on request. It's a big boat-enjoy the ride that these movers and shakers provide. :D I like their signs, they provide a provocative inquiry/reminder into the activities of this coming weekend. Many who actually do live in the ghettos of our fine country would love to have the opportunity to attend such activities.



Mr. Meeson

Thirteen signs along the Lakewood High's football field on Madison Ave. serves no purpose, and makes the street and school look like hell. Other public spaces have 3-5 signs all together. I believe the tax record for Lakewood Alive is not correct, salaries do not match up with the reality of the situation. The job posting Lakewood Alive sent out for an assistant mentioned the salary was $24,000 a year. The annual report claims only $10,000 for all salaries. How much does the city pay this group? Who paid for their Cornhole and Streetwalker banners? Provocative? Hardly. More like pitiful. Movers and Shakers! :roll:


Mr. Markling

Then why do the schools allow such vandalism? So any group can erect hundreds of signs on school property without the school's support? What is the school board's policy for erecting signs on school property? You say there is no School Board support, but I have heard the Phase III email list was given directly to Lakewood Alive. If that is true I would think that it is illegal. Many of their meetings are in schools. How much do they pay for that? Can any group rent the public schools for the same price? Maybe you could get the movers and shakers to pay for any shortfall instead of a levy?

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Re: Lakewood Alive - Get A Over Yourselves!

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:14 am
by Heather Ramsey
The signs DO serve a purpose - to alert people to the event taking place this weekend. Apparently in some cases they seem to have done the job to the event's detriment, unfortunately.

My guess regarding clusters of signs is that they just overestimated their need and thought 'well, why not put them together'. We were encouraged to take them at the last Live Well Lakewood meeting; maybe fewer people took them than they'd hoped.

The event seems like a really great thing that a lot of people have worked very hard to put together, including many outside of Lakewood Alive, and I think that any signage supporting it is just that, support.

I really know very little about the workings of Lakewood Alive, but I would imagine that the salary gap mentioned is made up through grants. Many positions with non-profits are paid for through grants.

Re: Lakewood Alive - Get A Over Yourselves!

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:58 am
by Jim DeVito
So should we ban all signs like that so as not to "ghettoize" the streets anymore? Sure no more campaign signs, no more local business promoting the work they have done on local homes. And how about the worst offender the "Brake For Kids" signs, those are really tacky . :roll:

Re: Lakewood Alive - Get A Over Yourselves!

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:14 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Jim DeVito wrote:So should we ban all signs like that so as not to "ghettoize" the streets anymore? Sure no more campaign signs, no more local business promoting the work they have done on local homes. And how about the worst offender the "Brake For Kids" signs, those are really tacky . :roll:


Jim

You do raise an interesting question. I do believe that Mayor Cain once used that
exact term to discuss neon, and other signage in Lakewood during her term.

I hear that A-Frame signs on sidewalks are soon to be banned, as it became harder
and harder to navigate the sidewalks in business areas.

The "Brake for Kids" signs drive politicians, realtors, and people trying to rent and sell
nuts. The ones I know would never say anything publicly, as it would be seen as being
negative for a truly good cause.

I can remember one councilman, demanding the "gay flag"(?) be taken down from public
property, because the Nazis would want their flag up on public property. My attitude
lean towards, go for it, just clean them up afterwards.

Though it did bring a smile to me this morning seeing Heather argue for the use of
plastic bag signs, that at some point will be headed into landfills.


Paula Reed has worked very hard on this, and as Heather said, maybe a few got over
zealous, no reason to ban all signs.

FWIW


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Re: Lakewood Alive - Get A Over Yourselves!

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:55 am
by Grace O'Malley
Oh come on, those "streetwalk" signs are a hoot, coming after the "cornhole" tournament!

Re: Lakewood Alive - Get A Over Yourselves!

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:06 am
by dl meckes
Scott Meeson wrote:Many who actually do live in the ghettos of our fine country would love to have the opportunity to attend such activities.


Are you representing "ghetto" residents?

I'm not sure what you consider "ghetto" but do you think there are no free and fun activities for city residents?

Re: Lakewood Alive - Get A Over Yourselves!

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:08 am
by marklingm
Pat Murphy wrote:
Scott Meeson wrote:
Pat Murphy wrote:Alright I get it Lakewood Alive is Well! But do you have to put those damn ugly signs everywhere? Are you purposely trying to drive down property values all over the city? What is the connection between the schools and Lakewood Alive, and the Library? HOW MUCH IS THE CITY SPENDING on ghettoizing Lakewood through these egomaniacs??? Stop already. I demand a full accounting of city hall, the school, and the library on how much they are spending, and I want to see the Lakewood Alive books! This is ridiculous!


Wow!

That's one hell of a negative statement about a pretty positive organization in this city. Frankly, one's ego is what gets things done-in my opinion.... Lakewood Alive's tax return for the most recent fiscal year is available on request. It's a big boat-enjoy the ride that these movers and shakers provide. :D I like their signs, they provide a provocative inquiry/reminder into the activities of this coming weekend. Many who actually do live in the ghettos of our fine country would love to have the opportunity to attend such activities.


Mr. Meeson

Thirteen signs along the Lakewood High's football field on Madison Ave. serves no purpose, and makes the street and school look like hell. Other public spaces have 3-5 signs all together. I believe the tax record for Lakewood Alive is not correct, salaries do not match up with the reality of the situation. The job posting Lakewood Alive sent out for an assistant mentioned the salary was $24,000 a year. The annual report claims only $10,000 for all salaries. How much does the city pay this group? Who paid for their Cornhole and Streetwalker banners? Provocative? Hardly. More like pitiful. Movers and Shakers! :roll:

Mr. Markling

Then why do the schools allow such vandalism? So any group can erect hundreds of signs on school property without the school's support? What is the school board's policy for erecting signs on school property? You say there is no School Board support, but I have heard the Phase III email list was given directly to Lakewood Alive. If that is true I would think that it is illegal. Many of their meetings are in schools. How much do they pay for that? Can any group rent the public schools for the same price? Maybe you could get the movers and shakers to pay for any shortfall instead of a levy?


Pat,

All of your questions are worthy of being asked and answered. As I stated above, the Lakewood City Schools are not formally associated with LakewoodAlive. The organizational chart for LakewoodAlive can be viewed by clicking here.

It is truly unfortunate that the LakewoodAlive leadership does not jump into the Deck anymore to take on the hard questions and wrestle the Bear. The Mayor has demonstrated how prudent posting can dispel rumors and move the civic discussion forward productively.

As a preliminary matter, I can attest to the fact that Scott Meeson is not simply a cheerleader for the “movers and shakers.” Scott will verbally punch you in the face and then buy you a drink afterwards. While I do not always agree with Scott, he tells it like he sees it. Even if I may not agree with how he sees it.

As to the tax records and salaries of LakewoodAlive, please contact Executive Director Mary Anne Crampton. She can be reached via e-mail at macrampton@lakewoodalive.com or telephone at 216-521-0655. I am assuming that Executive Director Crampton wants this directory information public since she posted it on the LakewoodAlive website (http://www.lakewoodalive.com). Then share the response.

As to how much money the City of Lakewood spends on all of the activities LakewoodAlive appears to be sponsoring from cornhole tournaments to streetwalking to more, please ask Executive Director Crampton that question as well. Then share the response.

Now, as to the questions directed toward me. I have no information as to whether the Lakewood City Schools gave anyone associated with LakewoodAlive any public record, Phase III e-mail lists or otherwise. Please contact Executive Director Crampton and ask her whether she obtained such a public record in the first place and, if so, how. Then share the response.

As to the use and cost for anyone – yes, anyone – using the property of the Lakewood City Schools, we currently have a fee schedule in place for such use and, as I have noted in prior school board meetings, we are currently in the process of revising our fee schedule and the following policy to ensure uniformity and cost recovery maximization:

7510 - USE OF DISTRICT FACILITIES

In order to assure a close relationship between the Lakewood Board of Education and the Lakewood community, it shall be the policy of the Board of Education to grant and encourage maximum use of school facilities as provided by law.

The Lakewood Board of Education encourages community use of school facilities during non-instructional hours. Gymnasiums, classrooms, auditoriums, etc. will be made available to the public at a reasonable cost to the user, and in some cases, without cost. Such use shall not interfere with the regular education program.

It is understood that convenient access to school properties may need to be limited in those instances when it is necessary to assure protection of school property or the safety of citizens and students, or for control of students, or for control of student behavior.

Charges shall be made to organized groups according to the schedule of fees approved by the Board. The Superintendent or designee shall establish such rules and regulations as needed to implement this policy as well as to assure the preservation of School District property.

The Board will permit the use of District grounds and facilities when such permission has been requested in writing by a responsible organization or a group of citizens and has been approved by the Superintendent or designee.

District grounds and facilities shall be available for the below-listed uses. When there are competing interests, approval will be given according to the following priorities:

    Category 1: Lakewood Student Groups
    Category 2: Lakewood Community Groups Affiliated with the Schools
    Category 3: Lakewood Community Nonprofit Groups
    Category 4: Lakewood Private Nonprofit Groups
    Category 5: Commercial Users/Non-Resident Groups

Users shall abide by all District guidelines and rules regarding the use of District grounds and facilities and be liable for any damage incurred. Under no circumstances shall the grounds or facilities be used to raise funds for a political campaign.

Should all or any part of the District’s community be struck by a disaster, the Board shall make District grounds and/or facilities available, at no charge, for the housing, feeding, and care of victims or potential victims when requested by local, State, or Federal authorities. The Superintendent or designee should meet with the Mayor or designee (local governing body) to establish a disaster preparedness plan in order to ensure that proper procedures are established to minimize confusion, inefficiency, and disruption of the educational program. (R.C. 5915.02-08)

The Superintendent or designee shall develop administrative guidelines for the granting of permission to use District facilities including a schedule of fees which, together with the costs used to determine such fees, must be approved by the Board.

The Board shall not be liable for any damage done or occasioned by failure to keep District facilities in repair and shall not be liable for any damage arising from acts or negligence of other Grantees of the Premises or other owners or occupants of the adjoining or contiguous properties. Unless caused by the continued failure of the Board to comply with its obligations, within a reasonable time after receipt of notice of such failure from Grantee. Except where the same may be caused by or result from negligence of the Board, its agents or employees, the Board shall not be held responsible for an is hereby relieved from any and all liability by reason of any injury, loss or damage to any person or property in or about the Premises, however caused, whether the loss, injury or damage be the property of Grantee or persons in its employ or any other person whomever. Grantee agrees to indemnify and save harmless the Board from and against any and all claims and demands of third persons (including, but not limited to, those for death, for personal injury, or for loss of or damage to property) arising directly or indirectly out of or in connection with Grantee’s occupancy or use of the Premises, or as a result of any acts or omissions of Grantee or its respective licenses, invitees, agents or employees, and from and against any and all costs, expenses or damages (including, but not limited to, counsel fees) in connection with any such claims or demands.

Vandalism, Theft, and Trespassing

The Board and the administration will work cooperatively with the Lakewood Police Department to obtain the arrest and conviction of any person responsible for vandalism, theft, and trespassing on school property.

All visitors, immediately upon entering school property, must obtain a Visitor's Pass from the main office of the building during the hours of 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.

No person shall litter, misuse, or loiter on school properties at any time. Unauthorized activities shall not be permitted on school properties after sundown. Unauthorized persons on school properties after sundown shall be considered trespassers and in violation of R.C. 2911.21.

The Board authorizes the Superintendent to sign a complaint against any person who trespasses, breaks into any school building, commits theft and/or maliciously damages school property, in accordance with the appropriate local ordinances and/or State statutes.

The Superintendent is authorized to establish the necessary procedures to implement this policy.

Visitors to School Buildings

It is the policy of the Board to restrict access to school buildings to persons other than students, teachers, and staff in accordance with State of Ohio law. A visitor (parent, salesperson, worker, guest, etc.) shall report to the school office to state the reason for being in the school. Sales persons must have written permission from the Office of the Superintendent or designee, Curriculum/Instruction, to visit a school or have a scheduled appointment with a staff member for such a visit. Sales visits must have an educational value or be of special interest to a particular school such as, but not limited to, committee work related to: textbooks, supplementary books, library books, school furniture, school supplies, school pictures, assembly programs, etc.

Parents and guests are welcome in the building but the Board shall expect the same reporting procedures as for other visitors. Classroom visits must be scheduled in advance with the building principal.

Rules dealing with entry on school grounds or in school buildings shall be conspicuously posted at main entrances to each school building.

A person knowingly or recklessly entering school property without privilege and contrary to Board rules or negligently or willfully failing to leave school property when asked by an authorized person, may be guilty of criminal trespass.

The Superintendent is authorized by the Board to develop regulations and procedures to implement this policy.

No Smoking on Board Property

Effective February 1, 1994, every building, Board-owned vehicles, all school grounds, and adjacent sidewalks and tree lawns of any school property in the School District shall be completely smoke and tobacco free at all times.

The Superintendent shall develop the necessary rules and regulations to implement this policy.

Gratuities for School Personnel

All payments for services rendered by employees in or on Board property shall be through the payroll office. No direct payments are permitted from any individual or organization for custodial or other services rendered on school premises.

R.C. 3313.75 - .79, 3501.29
P.L. 98-377

Revised 3/10/08


As to whether we can “get the movers and shakers to pay for any shortfall instead of a levy,” I am taking that to be a comment made out of frustration, and hope that you have not already made up your mind to oppose a prudently proposed levy for the operation of our public schools and construction of school buildings simply because a group that is not associated with the Lakewood City Schools may have inundated school property with signage.

For what it is worth, in the past, I have shared various thoughts regarding LakewoodAlive with Executive Director Crampton. On many things the two of us simply do not agree, at all. And while there are several individuals listed on the LakewoodAlive Board of Directors who I do not know and one who appears to have a telephone line that does not dial out, the list certainly appears to have a sampling of “the movers and shakers” in Lakewood, and their support will be critical to our success in getting any levy passed. For example:

    Past President David Shaw: Dave is a strong proponent of the Lakewood City Schools and currently volunteers his services to the Lakewood City Academy.

    Ed FitzGerald: The Mayor has proven to be a strong proponent of the Lakewood City Schools, and even ran for the Lakewood City School District Board of Education at one point. Put that in the “Did You Know” category.

    Jay Foran: Jay takes a lot of heat and I wish that he would jump back into the Deck. While LakewoodAlive is certainly fair game for criticism, the time, commitment, and dedication Jay has given to the Lakewood City Schools has been impressive and deserves no criticism. Jay was one of a few citizens willing to step up to the plate when many were unwilling to do so.

    Chas Geiger: Enough said.

    Tim Laskey: Tim is a strong proponent of the Lakewood City Schools, as well as the Lakewood Alumni Foundation. Tim has also been a sturdy supporter of past successful levies.

    Steve Ott: Steve is also an ardent proponent of the Lakewood City Schools, as well as the Lakewood Alumni Foundation. He is also a member of the Lakewood Observer Advisory Board and one of Lakewood’s finest attorneys.

    Paula Reed: Indeed, the Grand Marshall of them all. Paula’s service to the Lakewood City Schools has, in a word, been “priceless.”

    Mike Summers: Mike is a former member of the Lakewood City School District Board of Education, and Hall of Fame Alumni. Mike is clearly a strong proponent of the Lakewood City Schools and the Lakewood Alumni Foundation.

As Jim and I have discussed on countless occasions, the LakewoodAlive Board of Directors composes just a small sampling of the “the movers and shakers” in Lakewood. The problem is that there are often not enough Lakewoodites willing to move and shake the tree.

In his 1907 Arbor Day Message, President Theodore Roosevelt said:


It is well that you should celebrate your Arbor Day thoughtfully, for within your lifetime the nation's need of trees will become serious. We of an older generation can get along with what we have, though with growing hardship; but in your full manhood and womanhood you will want what nature once so bountifully supplied and man so thoughtlessly destroyed; and because of that want you will reproach us, not for what we have used, but for what we have wasted.


Matt

Re: Lakewood Alive - Get A Over Yourselves!

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:56 am
by Heather Ramsey
I actually DO hate those Brake for Kids signs. Who the heck doesn't brake for kids???

And, Jim, I'm not particularly in favor of the signs themselves, just don't think they're a complete waste and don't think the whole group and the whole activity need to be attacked because of them.

I generally can't complain about every group and activities potentially wasteful activities or I'd never have time to do anything else. I try not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good, if you will...

Re: Lakewood Alive - Get A Over Yourselves!

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:51 am
by Jerry Ritcey
I don't think that signs "ghettoize" Lakewood, whatever that's meant to mean. Temporary sins that serve a community purpose seem ok. Brake for kids signs seem as useless as signs says "Drive Safe", "Don't be distracted by signs" etc. ;)

Re: Lakewood Alive - Get A Over Yourselves!

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:26 pm
by Gary Rice
A long time ago, I learned that I would not be in agreement with everyone in life.

Nor would they be, with me.

As a former member of the Community Development Block Grant Citizen's Advisory Committee, I think that I probably have a pretty fair background on what this "LakewoodAlive" business was supposed to be about.

I certainly neither agreed with, not did I approve of, some of the ideas that they've come up with...in fact, I've given their group some real grief a few times with some of their proposals when they came before that committee.

BUT...

with my same breath, I would say that I sincerely appreciate the involvement of these people in trying to do good for our city.

It's of vital importance to have an active and involved citizenry in any community, and particularly with respect to our inner ring suburbs.

See, I think that it honestly boils down to this, and it's a point that really needs to be emphasized here over and over again.

The only thing worse that disagreeing with the so-called "movers and shakers" is... having no "movers and shakers" to disagree with....

Whatever issues that have (or may in the future) come along confronting Lakewood- whether West End, flower boxes, signs, garbage cans, pit bulls, library directors, or (insert some current issue here) we need people who care enough to get involved and in the process, be willing to endure scrutiny and review of their proposals and activities, and then, to have the vision to carry things forward as community leaders.

Without them, we might as well fold up the sidewalks and keep an eye out for Jimmy's buzzards.

I really do hope that people can start to get past whatever particular issues are bothering them in the heat of the moment and start getting constructive again about our city, especially here on the 'Deck.

After all, summer is a great time for campfire sing-a-longs...(smile)

Back to the banjo....

Re: Lakewood Alive - Get A Over Yourselves!

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:49 pm
by J Hrlec
Good luck with that.

I'm glad people are tackling the majorly important issues :lol:

Re: Lakewood Alive - Get A Over Yourselves!

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:00 pm
by Corey Rossen
Jerry Ritcey wrote:Temporary sins that serve a community purpose seem ok.

:wink: