The Citizens Of Lakewood Are Just A Bunch Of All Day Suckers

[Bill Call]

It seems that Obama is intent on a public works program to build schools, bridges, roads, super highways, new exurbs and more. Trillion dollar budget deficits as far as the eye can see.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... =worldwide

Many of us thought we were doing the right thing in supporting the schools, the library and the City with new tax dollars. What an old fashioned attitude. In the Obama nation someone else will pay for all those things. If we had just done nothing the feds would have paid for it all.

In this environment only a fool would pass a school levy or bond issue. Why should we with all that free money out there.

[sharon kinsella]

In the Bush Whacked nation we went in debt to almost every country in the world for destroying Iraq, letting our kids get killed and killing Iraqis.

If we're going to be in debt, let them fix our country first.

We may have new schools but we need new streets, solutions for abandoned houses, help with creating and maintaining green space, development funds.

So kill people, build things. Hmmmm.

[Thealexa Becker]

I wonder if you remember FDR and what his administration did for the economy and the infrastructure? Obama sounds like he is doing the same thing.

The people of Lakewood are not suckers for supporting the school system. All this new development with Obama's plans means is that we finally have a president who care about education. The previous administration only messed things up with the useless No Child Left Behind.

And to try to be as insidious as to suggest that the people of Lakewood not pass a bond issue not only shows that you have a foul disposition toward a state rated excellent high school that supports many enriching programs, but it shows your short sightedness. Do you honestly believe the community as a whole will look better if we fail to support the High School? No.

It seems that you are not willing to look at the positive things that LHS and the students there have to offer. Yes, like all school systems, Lakewood does have problems, but they are nothing compared to those of say Cleveland. Instead of bashing the entire system, perhaps you should learn a little bit more about what goes on at Lakewood High and try to pinpoint what specific problems could be fixed and not just wimp out and say to overhaul the whole thing.

[Bill Call]

I wonder if you remember FDR and what his administration did for the economy and the infrastructure? Obama sounds like he is doing the same thing.

Yes.

He turned a recession into a depression.

Why save? Why invest? Why take a risk? Why start a business? The State will do it for you.

[Thealexa Becker]

Must have been a long time since history class.

FDR became president in 1933. The Depression started in 1929 on Black Tuesday. That's several years. I think the president during the recession was Hoover. Even Wikipedia says that.

[Bill Call]

Even Wikipedia says that.

Try this instead:

http://www.reason.com/news/show/123476.html

[Thealexa Becker]

I didn't say I looked on wikipedia, but books like a People's History of the United States say that. So do the History textbooks in school. I would go with the book sources instead of internet speculation.

[Stephen Eisel]

In the Bush Whacked nation we went in debt to almost every country in the world for destroying Iraq, letting our kids get killed and killing Iraqis.

If we're going to be in debt, let them fix our country first.

We may have new schools but we need new streets, solutions for abandoned houses, help with creating and maintaining green space, development funds.

So kill people, build things. Hmmmm.

another factless hateful post by Sharon

[Stan Austin]

Thealexa---You make a convincing argument for rolling up one's sleeves and and examining the whole picture and then offering constructive solutions.

Unfortunately, much of the political discourse from the right, as evidenced by Mr. Call's comments, serve only to metaphorically throw hand grenades into the common weal.

It's that destructive and nihilistic approach to which I think you object and the results of which we are now experiencing.

It is amusing to debate with Bill but just remember, his synapses don't always make the logical connections!

Stan

[Gary Rice]

Thealexa,

This might be a good teaching moment.

Ever hear of the word "polemics"? That means an argumentative interpretation of history or events colored by the perspective of the writer.

I'm sure that there is objectivity out there somewhere, but our recent history is replete with these polemical culture wars.

For a long time, those wars leaned left, and then they started leaning right.

Stan, I think, is only half-right here. There's a bunch of "left"-leaning nonsense out there too. The "right" does not have a monopoly on one-sided opinion.

That opined, let me caution you not to look at school history books as gospel. That would be a mistake too, as nearly anyone of Native American descent would be happy to attest.

Older people develop opinions that tend to harden over time, based on their perspective and experiences.

I've always tried to listen to all sides. I wonder sometimes why local people here on the 'deck sometimes trumpet polemical views when they are not being paid to do so. Ordinarily polemics are done for a reason, and a big reason is generally pecuniary. $$$

The tough thing is to develop opinions of your own. Even tougher is to figure out whether these REALLY ARE your opinions or not.

[Bill Call]

In the Bush Whacked nation we went in debt to almost every country in the world for destroying Iraq, letting our kids get killed and killing Iraqis.

Typical liberal hate speach.

How about a dose of reality:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23547346/

[Bill Call]

Unfortunately, much of the political discourse from the right, as evidenced by Mr. Call's comments, serve only to metaphorically throw hand grenades into the common weal.

Barack Obama is adopting economic policies that created the Great Depression.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02370.html

Trillion dollar budget deficits to fund government corruption and make work projects drown out private investment, kill individual initiative, freeze investment and ultimately create a nation of beggers. In 1939 they were fewer hours worked than in 1932, was that progress?

If the Federal government is going to spend trillions of dollars to build schools and "infrastructure" there is no need to spend local tax dollars to do the dame thing. Our efforts and the efforts of our elected reprentatives can be better spent getting a bigger piece of the action.

Our current economic problems bare a striking resemblance to Japan's economic problems. The solutions being offered are similar to those tried by the Janpanese and will ultimately have the same dismal results. If you have the stomach for it read this:

http://mises.org/story/1099

In any case it is foolish for States, Cities or Counties or local school systems to raise taxes to fund their needs. In the Obamanation those needs will be met with TRILLION DOLLAR BUDGET DEFICITS.

[Jim O'Bryan]

Bill

Let's get real here.

In both cases the presidents inherited country's that were broke and heading towards the bottom. The question wasn't when but for how long.

Both situations came from the need for greed to feed on greed. Bankrupt otherwise good companies and come in buying them for pennies on the dollars.

Of course FDR had a massive manufacturing country to back that up, but 41, 42, and 43 have made sure that is no longer around.

However this is not a Lakewood discussion and will be seeing if Jim will move to global.

FWIW


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[sharon kinsella]

Here's your cherry tree boys -

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record. ... 0051019-46

http://www.care2.com/news/member/244931460/676757

Here's something from the football dudes, dudes -

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ook/080923

Here's a little MSM for you -

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17424874/

You'll hate this one -

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17424874/

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9292.html

Hate me if you want but don't think that I'm not well schooled fools.

[Stephen Eisel]

In the Bush Whacked nation we went in debt

keep on drinking that Kool-Aid.... We went into debt long before Bush was in office...