The Observation Deck

Throughout his short career Barack Obama has been attracted to the far left. He sought out friends who were quite open in their support of Marxism, Socialism and Terrorism.

What would he find attractive in those murderous ideaologies? Are there clues in his conduct and the conduct of his campaign?

I think there are.

Obama wants the prosecution of those who speak against him:

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM106_keeney.html

Obama uses street thugs to quell opposing views:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... 5137.story

Obama uses the power of State police to threaten the opposition:

http://beltwayblips.com/story/breaking_ ... ondemning/

Obama excuses domestic terrorism and police killing:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MT ... Y2OGI0NDM=

Will Bill Ayers be a guest at the White House? One day a terrorist cop killer the next day an icon of the Democratic Party. I guess that's what the liberals call "evolving".

Bill you get more and more ridiculous.

The republicans have a dominionist moron for VP candicate. A doddering old fool for a presidential candidate.

A determinism for economic dominionism.

And you're afraid of a guy who worries about main street?

You''re ridiculous.

i can imagine you reacting to the National Enquirer in a very literal fashion.

the compassionate conservatives and neoconservatives have greatly increased the numbers of Americans in prison.

they have advocated trade policies that have hollowed out industrial areas and opportunities for the the american work force and middle management class.

NAFTA also greatly damaged the economy of Mexico. that is why the number of Mexicans pouring into America to work in the shadow economy has greatly increased.

Bill Call wrote:Obama wants the prosecution of those who speak against him:

You mean he wants the prosecution of those who break election law to spread lies? Where's the problem there? Don't break election law, don't get prosecuted.

Obama uses street thugs to quell opposing views:

Sending emails is thuggery? Oooh, I'm intimidated.

Obama uses the power of State police to threaten the opposition:

Here's the blurb from the video:

The Barack Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who lies or runs a misleading TV ad during the presidential campaign.

ANYONE WHO LIES OR RUNS A MISLEADING TV AD. If only McCain is lying, then I guess that does narrow it down to "the opposition", eh?

Obama excuses domestic terrorism and police killing:

Blah blah William Ayers blah blah. Yeah. We've heard that one before. We're over it. Like his past or not, he's currently a respected professor and well-connected with progressive Chicago political circles. The Weathermen crap happened almost forty years ago - but I guess you're above the Christian principle of forgiveness.

Use of police power to threaten and intimidate political opponents is an old tactic of police states everywhere.

I guess when people criticize President Obama they will be hauled before the Ministry of Truth to determine the validity of the critizism. The mere threat of legal action will subdue many. You should be concerned that Obama endorses those tactics.

Brian Pedaci wrote:Blah blah William Ayers blah blah. Yeah. We've heard that one before. We're over it. Like his past or not, he's currently a respected professor and well-connected with progressive Chicago political circles. The Weathermen crap happened almost forty years ago - but I guess you're above the Christian principle of forgiveness.

Cop killing use to be considered a serious crime.

In Barack's Brave New World the cop killer will be an honored member of society. If cop killing is OK 40 years a ago is it ok now? After all, in fourty years it will be fourty years since the cop was killed.

And what did Bill Ayers mean when he said he wished he killed more cops?

If he had killed jews and set bombs off in synagogues and recently said he wished he did more would your response be blah, blah, blah?

If he lyched African Americans and burned black churches and recently said he wished he took part in more lynchings would your response be blah, blah, blah?

Bill Ayers IS a respected member of "progressive" circles and a respected and close friend and advisor to Barack Obama. Cop killer one day Democratic Party Icon the next. It's a strange world.

If Timothy Mcveigh were a close advisor to John McCain and a respected member of the Republican Party would your response be blah, blah, blah?

Bill - You didn't have a wreckless youth?

You never made one violent threat when you were young? You always respected authority and thought the Vietnam War was marvelous? You've always done what you were told?

Were you ever young?

Bill Call wrote:Use of police power to threaten and intimidate political opponents is an old tactic of police states everywhere.

I guess when people criticize President Obama they will be hauled before the Ministry of Truth to determine the validity of the critizism. The mere threat of legal action will subdue many. You should be concerned that Obama endorses those tactics.

Please show me where "police power" is involved here. Besides, what power should be invoked against those BREAKING THE LAW? The story you quoted was talking about the threat of "lawyer power", and what politician is unfamiliar with the use of that truncheon, eh?

You don't help your argument by invoking paranoid fantasies either. We're living under an administration where you CAN be hauled in for criticizing the government and there WON'T be any determination of the validity of that criticism.

Yes, if someone is libelling or slandering ANY public figure IN A PAID POLITICAL AD, I'd like them to be brought before a "ministry of truth" (we call them courts of law) to determine the validity of those charges.

Brian Pedaci wrote:And what did Bill Ayers mean when he said he wished he killed more cops?

Find me a quote where he says, unambiguously that he wished he killed more cops.
Read this:

In a post titled "Episodic Notoriety -- Fact and Fantasy," Ayers addresses the most frequently hurled accusations against him.

"I'm often quoted saying that I have 'no regrets,'" he writes. "This is not true. For anyone paying attention--and I try to stay wide-awake to the world around me all/ways--life brings misgivings, doubts, uncertainty, loss, regret. I'm sometimes asked if I regret anything I did to oppose the war in Viet Nam, and I say 'no, I don't regret anything I did to try to stop the slaughter of millions of human beings by my own government.' Sometimes I add, 'I don't think I did enough.' This is then elided: he has no regrets for setting bombs and thinks there should be more bombings."

In fact, Ayers says, those who tied to stop the "illegal, murderous, imperial war against Viet Nam ... recognize that our efforts were inadequate: the war dragged on for a decade, thousands were slaughtered every week, and we couldn't stop it. In the end the U.S. military was defeated and the war ended, but we surely didn't do enough."

"We didn't do enough" meant that "we" as Americans "didn't do enough to protest the war". One thing I'm curious about - if there's no statute of limitations on murder, and there's such incontrovertible proof that Ayers and Dohrn were directly involved with those actions, why have they never been prosecuted or jailed?

In Bill Call's Amerika, you're never rehabilitated for a crime. Ayers never said he wished he had set more bombs. He said he wished we, meaning everyone, "had done more" to protest the Vietnam War. Again, like it or not, he's a guy who had some connections that a young liberal politician in Chicago would have found very useful. You don't have to like or accept what the guy did 40 years ago to respect who he is today.

Bill, I'm really curious what influence you really think Ayers would have on an Obama presidency. I can't wait to see the paranoid fever-dream you imagine.

Brian Pedaci wrote: He said he wished we, meaning everyone, "had done more" to protest the Vietnam War.

What Bill Ayers did was set off bombs and commit murder. If he has no regrets about what he did then he has no regrets about bombing and murder.

What is the difference between Bill Ayers and Timothy Mcveigh?

Let me rephrase your question. What's the difference between Ayers and someone who blows up an abortion clinic?

Brian Pedaci wrote:Let me rephrase your question. What's the difference between Ayers and someone who blows up an abortion clinic?

None, they are both terrorists.

How many abortion clinic bombers:

Are college professors?
Serve on charitable boards?
Write for the New York Times?
Are close advisors to presidential candidates?
Originate education policy?
Are forgiven?
Are out of jail?
Are free to brag about their bombings with the approval of political leadership?

I've answered your question. Will you answer mine?

What is the difference between Bill Ayers and Timothy Mcveigh?

Bill Call wrote:None, they are both terrorists.

OK. So why would John McCain twice vote against a bill (S 636 in 103rd congress) that would protect individuals from being prevented by force from entering a clinic, and protect against violence against a clinic's property?

Guess he doesn't mind terrorism so much either.

How many abortion clinic bombers:

Are college professors?
Serve on charitable boards?
Write for the New York Times?
Are close advisors to presidential candidates?
Originate education policy?
Are forgiven?
Are out of jail?
Are free to brag about their bombings with the approval of political leadership?

I've answered your question. Will you answer mine?

What is the difference between Bill Ayers and Timothy Mcveigh?

One was found guilty in a court of law, the other in the court of public opinion, apparently. And in America, you're innocent until found guilty. I really don't get why Ayers was never tried for any of these bombings he allegedly masterminded. Do you know?

Furthermore, "blah blah Ayers blah blah" means simply that what Ayers did, or who Ayers was 40 years ago has absolutely no bearing on who Obama is today or what he'll do tomorrow. I haven't noticed Ayers' name on any ballot.

I'll reach out my hand and agree with you that in a just world, Ayers shouldn't have been able to acheive what he did in the years after his involvement with the Weather Underground. He should have spent at least some time behind bars, if he did everything that was attributed to him.

But the fact that he did rise to a some position of respect is no fault of Barack Obama. Ayers was a guy who could help Obama get established, and that's it. The link beyond that is so tenuous it'll break if you blow too hard on it. So, if you have some point to make about what you think this fleeting acquaintance with Bill Ayers means, make it. To continue arguing about whether or not is or was a "terrorist" is pointless. You obviously think he is - what exactly does that portend for an Obama presidency, do you think? Make your prediction now, so that in four years we can revisit it and you can either eat crow or have a hearty 'I told you so'.

Brian Pedaci wrote:I'll reach out my hand and agree with you that in a just world, Ayers shouldn't have been able to acheive what he did in the years after his involvement with the Weather Underground. He should have spent at least some time behind bars, if he did everything that was attributed to him.

Fair enough.

There is a whole sub culture of radical leftists that have a private agenda quit different from the politicians they influence. Those radicals have the ear of Barack Obama.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/grou ... grpid=6967

The current fiscal "crisis" was manufactured in Washington D.C. Each "crisis" has only one solution. More power, less freedom.

We've spent the past eight years observing the effects of right-wing radicals on government officials. Let's let the old hippies have a shot too.

One was found guilty in a court of law, the other in the court of public opinion, apparently. And in America, you're innocent until found guilty. I really don't get why Ayers was never tried for any of these bombings he allegedly masterminded. Do you know?

I don't know much about Ayers, but perhaps he wasn't prosecuted for some of the same reasons Bush hasn't been.

Interesting...

Is Bill Ayers to Barack Obama what George Bush is to John McCain?