The Observation Deck

One video is worth a million words:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESxvY1tQ ... st_97.html

At least he had sense enough to deliver his speach on a hot day in July. For a while he and his supporters giving their speeches on cold days in January.

Come on Bill, you know his words are way more important then how he actually lives his life.

He is single handily saving our planet. He is a Nobel Peace prize winner for goodness sake, give him a break.

"Do as I say, not as I do" - Memorize it, it is the new standard.

Bill

This is the problem with so many.

While I could make a case for the secret service using thee vehicles they choose, letting it the SUV idle with air on, while possibly the choice of the driver, still makes the whole effort look foolish.

Nice clip.


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Gore is taking an integrated approach. he is not an extremist. He's a rich guy with a pet issue or hobby. At least it isn't whoring and boozing.

Even ideologue heroes like Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine drew much of their income from government jobs.

without meat there would be no petting zoos and probably no domesticated dogs.

It is all pretty complicated stuff.

It's still cold in winter so global warming can't be real? It's dark at night, must mean there's no sun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

Since there was no change to the climate BEFORE the industrial revolution, OBVIOUSLY everything since has been the result of our actions.

Bret Callentine wrote:Since there was no change to the climate BEFORE the industrial revolution, OBVIOUSLY everything since has been the result of our actions.

Evidence of climate change throughout the past makes a stronger case for human influence on present climate change. Measuring evidence of C02, other chemicals, and old weather patterns in the past has given a clearer picture of it. It is observed that C02 concentrations in the atmosphere drive weather much more than weather drives C02 concentrations in the atmosphere. One of the primary applications of super-computers has been analyzing weather data of the past and present.

Within the scope of human history there are records of enormous changes in environment by human activity. The most basic forms of this have been observed in results of deforestation, topsoil erosion, over hunting, etc. Jared Diamond wrote a good book on this called "Collapse".


Most of us learned about stoichiometry in high school chemistry. The increase in C02 in the atmosphere is calculable by how much oil, coal, gas, etc we've burned. The coal and oil we've burned in the last few centuries released millions of years of solar and geothermal energy packed into hydrocarbon molecules.

There are enormous wind and water current systems interacting with each other at all time. The larger ones tend to move in semi-regular patterns. Changes in C02 have to go up against the enormous inertia of these. It may occasionally unhinge vast areas of cold water and air currents from their usual patterns. If it is 75 degrees in the summer and 35 degrees in winter the average temperature can be 55. If it is 95 degrees in summer and 15 degrees in winter average temperature can be 55. Maybe we'll all end up with drought seasons and monsoon seasons.

Vast areas of the oceans have low algae levels due to iron deficiency in the water. It is theorized that seeding those oceans with iron could jumpstart a larger algae level. This would draw a lot of C02 out of the air. Perhaps even too much. I imagine this analogous to something like this: you've got a bowl of water representing the prevailing weather patterns. A spoon is stirring it in a circle. the last 200 years represents a slight increase in the speed of the spoon. Reducing carbon levels is like suddenly slowing down the spoon to its previous speed. Or wobbling the bowl a few times. the current collides with the spoon or itself and eddies into all sorts of weird consequences.

Canada didn't go to war with us or anyone else over Acid Rain. We probably won't go to war with East Asia over all the sulfur and c02 they put into the air manufacturing the stuff we consume.

Everything we do affects our environment, the question is: to what extent.

My biggest problem is that I don't believe we have even the basic knowledge of the complete system to competently be able to discern our overall effect one way or the other.

I'm not going to suggest that we humans wouldn't be better off dumping less polution into the air, but thats a far cry from saying that we have the power to alter the overal climate.

If you have the scientific background, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the following article...

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24036736-7583,00.html