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Obama's Resume
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:57 pm
by Stephen Eisel
He does have experience...
http://obamasresume.org/
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:04 pm
by Stephen Calhoun
It's interesting to note that in a political-media climate through which trivialities become amplified and profundities become buried, that the 'meme' of experience is given so much currency.
What's fascinating for me personally is just how good the questions, (how revealing of a person's informal assumptions,) are:
What do you mean by experience?
How does having experiences benefit a person?
Are some experiences more beneficial than other experiences?
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The punditry hasn't drilled into any of this, even if raising experience as a quality begs the question of how experience works.
And they could because the 'experiential' construction of cognitive capability and cognitive complexity has been extensively studied as a key concern of psychology for a very long time.
Hints: experience by its lonesome has very little value. Two persons can have very similar experiences and yet come out of near equivalent experiences with different capabilities.
Etc..
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:57 am
by Dustin James
Stephen Calhoun wrote:The punditry hasn't drilled into any of this, even if raising experience as a quality begs the question of how experience works.
And they could because the 'experiential' construction of cognitive capability and cognitive complexity has been extensively studied as a key concern of psychology for a very long time.
Hints: experience by its lonesome has very little value. Two persons can have very similar experiences and yet come out of near equivalent experiences with different capabilities.
Etc..
Another view from the business world on experience. Dee Hock (born 1929) is the founder and former CEO of the VISA credit card association. He said this:
Hire and promote first on the basis of integrity;
second motivation;
third capacity;
fourth understanding;
fifth knowledge;
and last and least, experience.
Without integrity, motivation is dangerous;
without motivation, capacity is impotent;
without capacity, understanding is limited;
without understanding, knowledge is meaningless;
without knowledge, experience is blind.
If one believes Dee's approach, integrity cannot be shown on a résumé.
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job
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:03 pm
by ryan costa
It is the President's job to talk with the leaders of other countries. Obama expresses a willingness to do this.
George Bush seems to refuse to do this. John McCain has also expressed an unwillingness to do this. They are inferior as presidents and candidates. They cannot afford to talk with the leaders of Iran. They cannot afford to be seen hearing unscripted speech from other leaders that doesn't tell them exactly what they want to hear.
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:47 am
by Stephen Eisel
What do you mean by experience?
How does having experiences benefit a person?
Are some experiences more beneficial than other experiences?
Read his resume

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:32 am
by Stephen Calhoun
Stephen, Obama's resume is stellar. It catalogs certain milestones of experience.
But it doesn't address my questions and nor did your patronizing advice.
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:45 am
by Stephen Calhoun
Dustin, I like Dee Hock's nested take on the qualities of a job candidate. It places integrity at the foundation where it could reside with profound ramifications.
Integrity strikes me as something like the quality of humility, in that I would be suspect of anyone who claims to possess it. The proof--for me--is what a person does in the aftermath of a lapse of integrity.
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:32 pm
by Stephen Eisel
Stephen Calhoun wrote:Stephen, Obama's resume is stellar. It catalogs certain milestones of experience.
But it doesn't address my questions and nor did your patronizing advice.

Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:01 am
by Dustin James
Stephen Calhoun wrote:Dustin, I like Dee Hock's nested take on the qualities of a job candidate. It places integrity at the foundation where it could reside with profound ramifications.
Integrity strikes me as something like the quality of humility, in that I would be suspect of anyone who claims to possess it. The proof--for me--is what a person does in the aftermath of a lapse of integrity.
Interesting. I've heard of a lapse in judgment, something based on individual decision and circumstances of the moment which can on occasion, go awry. I would not characterize integrity as something that can lapse and then reappear, but much more an aggregate of consistent good qualities. In other words, consistent humility, good judgment, etc.,
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