Ron Paul

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:09 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7d_e9lrcZ8

Lynn Farris · Post by **Lynn Farris** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:28 pm

I'm not sure I'm going to vote for him - but I am fascinated by him - as I am by anyone who is consistent and speaks intelligently with such conviction. I can see why he is gaining support daily. Plus anyone that will get us out of this war and not go warmongering has my attention.

Rolling Stone article:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/17323345/ron_paul_a_republican_takes_the_lead_against_the_war

Vince Frantz · Post by **Vince Frantz** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:15 pm

Lynn - I may not even vote for him. But I am about to give the biggest donation I have ever ponied up to help keep him in the race. America would be better off if people like him had a chance. There is an "unguided" system that thwarts the rise of people with his convictions. There is no one person holding him back - but a system that leans towards entertainment verses public discourse favors those who can be shaped by the media - not the other way around.

People have been scouring his record looking for statements and actions that could be held against him and coming up empty handed. People state that since he gets support from White-Supremacists that he must be racist. People say that since he gets support from African Americans, he must be too liberal. People say that since he wants to stop aid to Israel, he must be anti-semitic when in fact he wants to stop buying influence all over the entire globe. His reasoning on every issue comes from the Constitution - the very thing that was designed to favor no one group. So regardless of his personal views - I think that his brand of thinking will help correct the mistakes of our past. If for no other reason that he gets people reading about those mistakes, history, the Constitution, and engaged in a process that has evolved to favor large special interests. Even Hillary would not denounce lobbyists as a subversion of democracy.

He is like the JK Rowling of politics... (you know... getting us all to read again) because you can't learn about him from the TV.

Brian Pedaci · Post by **Brian Pedaci** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:26 pm

The biggest thing which gives me pause is that he's a gold bug. No explanation of tying our currency to the gold standard makes any sense to me, but he'd be unable to enact a change like that anyway.

The country could do a lot worse than having a libertarian in charge.

Lynn Farris · Post by **Lynn Farris** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:39 pm

I don't agree with him Brian on every issue either. But there is going to be a Democratic Congress that will keep him from going too far afield. But he will bring the troops home.

Plus he seems realistic that he won't be able to do everything.

I agree with you Vince - I have never been so impressed with our constitution as when I listen to him.

Danielle Masters · Post by **Danielle Masters** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:57 pm

I still have yet to decide who I will vote for as the election is far off, but I have also been impressed with Ron Paul. I do have some issues that I totally disagree with him on but I will say he is an honest politician and for that I respect him. We could use more politicians that were open and honest about their true ideals. This election is already driving me nuts and it's barely underway. :roll:

Vince Frantz · Post by **Vince Frantz** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:38 pm

This is quite disturbing. A CNN show host is equating Ron Paul supporters with domestic terrorism. This clip ran this past weekend.

To brand a certain candidate's supporters as terrorists on a national TV program sounds like something out of a movie.

The guests seem to suggest that Ron Paul has designed a campaign to incite terrorism. Which - in the current environment - conveniently plays to the heightened fear mongering that keeps the other "first tier" candidates up in the polls. Especially on the Republican side.

This is seeming more like a Twilight Zone episode each week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg8M2JBIoqo

Lynn Farris · Post by **Lynn Farris** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:07 pm

This was a response to that - that I thought was quite eloquent. Keep in mind that military families are the biggest supporters of Ron Paul.

With permission I am posting this letter to Glenn Beck from a former Marine in response to his conspiratorial tirade against Dr. Paul which aired on the November 12th segment of his show. David Horowitz also chimes in with some pretty outrageous and wacky stuff.

Dear Mr. Beck,

The image you have so carelessly planted in the minds of your viewers, that regular, honest, hardworking American supporters of Dr. Ron Paul are a bunch of terrorists is not only inaccurate, but grossly negligent sir! And I take extreme umbrage with you assertions. I am a former Marine, decorated with a Good Conduct Medal, a Navy Unit Commendation, and an Overseas Deployment ribbon for my service to these United States from 1982 to 1986. Seeing as we are both forty three I think its safe to say that while I was serving my country, you were much more busy becoming a drug addict and practicing to become an alcoholic, correct?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_...

You see, unlike you sir, I have taken the time to gather some facts to support my position. I love this country and its people more than life itself, and would at a moments notice put my life on the line once again in her defense. I took an oath to uphold our Constitution, and I take this oath very seriously.

You sir have done a grave disservice to me personally by implying that I am a terrorist because I support Dr. Ron Paul. Over my forty three years of life's trials and tribulations I have developed pretty thick skin, and am not easily bothered by someone's words. But when I heard you imply that Ron Paul supporters are "akin to terrorists" for choosing the fifth of November as the day for our fund raising donation, I have to admit that I was a highly upset! I sincerely believe you have a right to your opinion, as do we all. But where you enjoy an assumed position of authority in Television and Radio with the potential to influence millions of viewers and listeners alike comes an even greater obligation to ensure that the opinions you espouse are well founded, and responsible ones. Is that a fair statement sir? I work very hard to introduce my friends and family to the issues that Dr. Ron Paul supports, and believe with great sincerity that our Country is in very serious trouble and we need to elect someone to the highest office who exemplifies the kind of qualities of a Dr. Ron Paul.

I was with my wife and 18 year-old daughter when we watched you're 'Ron Paul supporters may be domestic terrorists' piece. My family knows how strongly I feel about Dr. Paul's views and I got a strange feeling in the pit of my stomach upon hearing your comments. Especially in front of my family, who trusts my decision making process in order that I provide a stable, moral example for them to follow. It was an awkward moment to say the least, I was at a loss for words. I simply gritted my teeth and supported your right to your views regardless. Mr Beck, your implication that Ron Paul supporters, like myself, are terrorists, is so far beyond the pale of reasoning that I fail to understand how you could formulate this opinion. Now I'm not naive, I know this was not some spontaneous thoughts you were sharing with your audience. I realize this was something you ran by your staff and bosses alike. You had to book the guests that would be sympathetic to your views in order to project the desired effect for your viewers. Plain and simple sir, this was a tongue in cheek political hit piece directed at Dr. Ron Paul's Presidential Campaign by casting his supporters as domestic terrorists. I find this type of guerrilla journalism very distasteful and a betrayal of America and our ideals of the sanctity of a free press that is suppose to inform its body politic, not to deceive its people as you have chosen to do. As I stated earlier, I am not naive sir, and I realize you could care less how I feel or what my opinions of you are, and that's just fine by me. But what you are doing is just plain wrong, and you will have to atone for your actions at some point in time. But until then you have lost a faithful viewer.

I know it is of little consequence to you but as a matter of principle I can no longer support a network that supplies you a platform from which you so carelessly use as a tool to spew your hate and rhetoric. I will also be boycotting all of your sponsors products until they pull their support by way of advertising dollars that go to pay you're salary. Here is the list of people and companies I will be contacting.

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I know people have temporary lapses in judgment, and will leave some of my personal information to assure you that I am a real person and not a "spambot" just in case you would like to reply to this e-mail, but, ummm, I'm not holding my breath though.

Respectfully Submitted,
Stephen Dupont
New Bedford, Massachusetts 02745

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/7514

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:29 pm

I post on a couple of other boards. It appears that the Ron Paul issue is really dividing the Republicans (on those board). He appears to be really unpopular with the Christian Republicans. **** Disclaimer*** this is just my observation****

Vince Frantz · Post by **Vince Frantz** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:07 pm

I have seen this also. The evangelicals don't like him, it seems. I think it is because he doesn't tow the "islam is evil" line. His stance on abortion doesn't seem to be based on religious beliefs either (but just biology).

What do you see them writing/saying about him? I only know one "values voter" and he is squarely in Rudy camp (which is curious I know) because he believes there is a real threat from terrorism and Islam. What's weird about that is Paul's stance on war itself IS based on Judeo-Christian "Just War" theory.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:26 pm

Vince Frantz wrote:I have seen this also. The evangelicals don't like him, it seems. I think it is because he doesn't tow the "islam is evil" line. His stance on abortion doesn't seem to be based on religious beliefs either (but just biology).

What do you see them writing/saying about him? I only know one "values voter" and he is squarely in Rudy camp (which is curious I know) because he believes there is a real threat from terrorism and Islam. What's weird about that is Paul's stance on war itself IS based on Judeo-Christian "Just War" theory.

A lot of dis-information.... or half truths.. Thank God for Youtube... They call him names and etc.. I have never been a one issue voter.

Danielle Masters · Post by **Danielle Masters** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:53 pm

I have never been a one issue voter.

Either have I, but far too many people are. A lot of people it seems just don't want to take the time to truly educate themselves, which is part of the reason why we have the low caliber candidates we have now. I have hope but I really doubt it will change anytime soon.

Ivor Karabatkovic · Post by **Ivor Karabatkovic** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:59 pm

it will change once my generation, the incoming college students and seniors in high school, grows up to be working adults with families.

I have been VERY impressed with what my classmates know and how many young adults get involved in elections and politics nowadays.

there is hope..

Lynn Farris · Post by **Lynn Farris** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:54 pm

I'm not a one issue voter either - but the Iraq war is the elephant in the room.

Not only is it killing people needlessly - it is costing us so much. And it is not just money - it is the lost opportunity. We don't have the money to deal with our infrastructure, health care, education etc. because we are spending money in Iraq. Additionally we are borrowing money from China and we are now becoming beholden to them because we owe them so much money.

So solving our problems in the Middle East is important if we want to do anything else.

dl meckes · Post by **dl meckes** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:22 pm

Ivor Karabatkovic wrote:it will change once my generation, the incoming college students and seniors in high school, grows up to be working adults with families.

I have been VERY impressed with what my classmates know and how many young adults get involved in elections and politics nowadays.

there is hope..

That's what I once thought about my generation.