The Observation Deck

Yikes. There are still big mysteries and big mistakes if blundered. We are so young.

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Dustin James wrote:Yikes. There are still big mysteries and big mistakes if blundered. We are so young.

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we are sometimes like a 4 year old with a gun...

...and yet I am sure there is a surge of interest in Arizona and New Mexico to find a way to run a canal to it for a new fresh water source. Maybe then they will leave the Great Lakes alone!

Wasn't something like this in an episode of the X-Files?

Cool stuff.

There are a few mostly frozen great-lakes-sized freshwater lakes in Canada. I'm pretty sure we won't be piping water to Arizona when gasoline hits 5 dollars a gallon.

ryan costa wrote:There are a few mostly frozen great-lakes-sized freshwater lakes in Canada. I'm pretty sure we won't be piping water to Arizona when gasoline hits 5 dollars a gallon.

Gas futures are pointing towards lower prices in the future... just sayin

natural gas is more difficult to transport and distribute than gasoline or petroleum.


technically it would be easier to built water pipelines from western canada to the southwest, than from antarctica to arizona(!).

Though perhaps the antarctic ice can be broken up and transported there on giant barges.

ryan costa wrote:natural gas is more difficult to transport and distribute than gasoline or petroleum.


technically it would be easier to built water pipelines from western canada to the southwest, than from antarctica to arizona(!).

Though perhaps the antarctic ice can be broken up and transported there on giant barges.

http://www.naturalgas.org/naturalgas/transport.asp

more pipeline info (clicky here)

More than 210 natural gas pipeline systems.
300,000 miles of interstate and intrastate transmission pipelines (see mileage table).
More than 1,400 compressor stations that maintain pressure on the natural gas pipeline network and assure continuous forward movement of supplies (see map).
More than 11,000 delivery points, 5,000 receipt points, and 1,400 interconnection points that provide for the transfer of natural gas throughout the United States.
29 hubs or market centers that provide additional interconnections (see map).
394 underground natural gas storage facilities (see map).
55 locations where natural gas can be imported/exported via pipelines (see map).
5 LNG (liquefied natural gas) import facilities and 100 LNG peaking facilities.

most of those natural gas pipelines are very old. it costs much more to replace or build new ones than it had in the past.

Distribution is another barrier. It is easy to distribute to centralized locations, like municipal power plants and old municipal utility companies. It is difficult to build new residential gas lines.

So far as it being a solution to gasoline, again, the numbers don't quite add up. Supply and demand being what it is, the more it is used as a substitute the greater the price will be. So, we won't be running 100 million automobiles on natural gas.

on the other hand, this Antarctic underground lake holds promise. it has a lot of pressurized oxygen in it. We can stick a giant pepsi straw into it and use the pressure to run a giant power plant. The electricity can be pumped to Los Angeles and Atlanta Georgia through transatlantic AC lines. yeah. that will work.

most of those natural gas pipelines are very old. it costs much more to replace or build new ones than it had in the past.

They do this thing called maintenance on the pipeline. lol

much of the pipelines are under several feet of earth and sometimes thick layers of road concrete.

It costs a few thousand bucks just to excavate a the ground and roads to get to a few dozen feet of pipes.

That is money better spent on bullets and armored Humvees in the global war on terror......??.......

No worries though. there is probably just unlimited natural gas and oil and unlimited funding available....

ryan costa wrote:much of the pipelines are under several feet of earth and sometimes thick layers of road concrete.

It costs a few thousand bucks just to excavate a the ground and roads to get to a few dozen feet of pipes.

That is money better spent on bullets and armored Humvees in the global war on terror......??.......

No worries though. there is probably just unlimited natural gas and oil and unlimited funding available....

Have you ever tried being rational?

Stephen Eisel wrote:

ryan costa wrote:much of the pipelines are under several feet of earth and sometimes thick layers of road concrete.

It costs a few thousand bucks just to excavate a the ground and roads to get to a few dozen feet of pipes.

That is money better spent on bullets and armored Humvees in the global war on terror......??.......

No worries though. there is probably just unlimited natural gas and oil and unlimited funding available....

Have you ever tried being rational?

I was making fun of your irrationality. That doesn't come across well in text. My apologies.

I am sorry it costs so much to build, maintain, and replace gas transportation pipes.

I am sorry wanting there to be much more natural gas or oil doesn't create more natural gas or oil.

I am sorry there is no good reason to go to send Nasa to Mars, and that under-glacier lakes in antarctica will have no resource import benefits.

ryan costa wrote:

Stephen Eisel wrote:

ryan costa wrote:much of the pipelines are under several feet of earth and sometimes thick layers of road concrete.

It costs a few thousand bucks just to excavate a the ground and roads to get to a few dozen feet of pipes.

That is money better spent on bullets and armored Humvees in the global war on terror......??.......

No worries though. there is probably just unlimited natural gas and oil and unlimited funding available....

Have you ever tried being rational?

I was making fun of your irrationality. That doesn't come across well in text. My apologies.

I am sorry it costs so much to build, maintain, and replace gas transportation pipes.

I am sorry wanting there to be much more natural gas or oil doesn't create more natural gas or oil.

I am sorry there is no good reason to go to send Nasa to Mars, and that under-glacier lakes in antarctica will have no resource import benefits.

Your analysis of the cost of a pipeline over its useful life versus the cost of continually transporting fuel was astounding.. You had all of the details nailed from software cost to depreciation cost. And your understanding of why we transport natural gas via a pipeline was incredible. I am sure that it would be cheaper and safer for East Ohio Gas to have a fleet of 10,000 trucks and deliver natural gas to its customers on demand..