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Please call your member of congress today
Submitted by Dennis Kucinich on Wed, 2007-03-21 23:17. Iraq

Call 202-224-3121 to speak to your representative.

Dear Friend,
Four years ago this week, in violation of international law, standing upon a mountain of lies, the United States went to war against the people of Iraq. Our nation now has the moral responsibility for the deaths of as many as 650,000 to one million innocent Iraqi civilians, for the destruction of Iraq, and the theft of billions of dollars in oil assets.

Those who told lies to take us into war should be held accountable under the U.S. Constitution and at the International Criminal Court.

Instead of true accountability on the war, this week Congress may give the President and Vice President more than $100 billion to keep the war going through the end of their term. More war, more civilian deaths, more U.S. soldiers killed or maimed. Less money for housing, for health care, for education, for seniors here at home as we borrow money from Beijing to keep the war going in Baghdad.

Instead of accountability, the appropriations bill will mandate the privatization of $6 trillion in Iraq oil assets, and it will provide money which can be used to attack Iran in an attempt to grab another $6 trillion in Iranian oil assets for the oil companies.

We must support the troops, stop the war, end the occupation, and support HR 1234.

Please call 202-224-3121 to speak to your member of congress today.

Thank you,
Dennis J Kucinich

in violation of international law

I get the part where many make the argument that we were intentionally lied to. I don't concur, but I get the argument.

However, can someone point me to which international law we broke?

Bret Callentine wrote:

in violation of international law

I get the part where many make the argument that we were intentionally lied to. I don't concur, but I get the argument.

However, can someone point me to which international law we broke?

Bret

First we broke our laws.
200 years we had never attacked a country that hadn't attacked us. That is a number no other Super Power had. Pretty amazing for building goodwill and friendship around the world. Now when you go to Sweden they suggest a Canadian patch! Thanks GWB.

I am going way out on a limb on this.

How about attacking a country that never attacked us?

How about the murder of $250,000 innocents?

How about billions of dollars in damages and theft?

Seriously, you do get this right?

We really screwed this up. We have been really screwing this up for decades and decades. Like the British in the MidEast. At some point Americans will have to learn we are in a WORLD with other countries and two other super powers that can buy and sell us like the fools we are.

The fact that 99.99999999999999999999% of the country does not see this is CRAZY.

Some of us got it at sealing all paperwork for 50 years. That was day three of the first term. While some argued Clinton had sex with an intern. Some of us were thinking, why would that be the first thing you did?

To hide something?

Wait he did his dad's to but not Bill? Hmmmm

Maybe it was something he and his father had in common.

The Afghanis have never attacked us until we got there.

The Iraqis had never attacked us or even killed us until we got there the SECOND time.

This is not rocket surgery.

JOB

Did your "9' button get stuck ie

The fact that 99.99999999999999999999% of the country does not see this is CRAZY.

so 1 x 10 to -20 power times 300 million = 3 x 10 to -12 power = possibly 1 cell in JOB or djk eye "thinks" this IS Crazy . Not really sure how 1 cell thinks but your number and simple math give the above 3 trillionth value

That's for info - Your source for this 99.9.....................99% IS ? Or did you do this very exacting measurement yourself ?

here we go again.

*pow pow pow* we're being flanked from the right!

Not only is bush screwed because he's going to get subpoena'd at any moment, the country voiced their opinions and now we have democrats running the show.

not only that, there was a 11 point victory.

I've got my presidential candidate picked out, and he's beating every republican in the popularity polls. But then again, that's not a big deal since anyone's more popular than the elephants.

Jim, Had to read your post a couple of times to make sure. But I still don't see a reference as to which international law was broken.

Granted, you can argue all you want about the morality of preemptive strikes. Still, I'm looking for actual laws that were broken.

As for inside the U.S., sure, lets go ahead and subpoena the pres. I'd like some more information as would a lot of people. However, until that happens (and I doubt it will), I believe the country I live in still assumes innocence until guilt is proven. So believe what you want, but please refrain from stating as FACT that the president is running an "ILLEGAL" war.

Back to the question at hand. And it is a serious one. I'm honestly looking to find out which international law was broken with this action.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we had a peace treaty with Iraq. Iraq broke that peace treaty. Exactly where did we cross the line - Legally?

Let's not forget that we empowered the Taliban to begin with by giving them money and arms AND empowered Iraq by giving them money (thanks Reagan-Bush) to build up the oil fields, knowing full well that they were taking the money and putting it into weapons. All along knowing we were going to go in one day to take the oil, at the expense of our soldiers and all the civilians, many children in Iraq? This is not about opinion anymore. If you read any articles from the mouths of Iraqui civilians, they are all saying the same things! It is a mess, they are afraid, they have post traumatic stress and there aren't enough psychiatrists there to help them! Even the ones alive are injured physically and/or emotionally. There is no end, no hope. What if that was our country? What if we had the oil and some country did that to us and our children were being bombed and watching us being bombed and we had no electricity, no jobs, not enough food? You have to step into the others' shoes. When Kissinger helped the Kurds uprise against Suddam to help Iran (?) and then Iran turned around and made peace with Saddam, Kissinger turned around and left the Kurds to be butchered by Saddam. He let them! Isn't their human life worth as much as ours? It has to stop. God is not smiling down on us as the heros or the "winners. I don't see any winners right now.

God is not smiling down on us as the heros or the "winners" (as you stated in another thread Bret). I don't see any winners right now.

exactly when did I ever suggest that?

Conjecture about peoples motives is one thing, but, putting words in their mouth?

Come on. play fair.

Sorry I will edit that. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, but thinking about the thread when you said our history books are written by the "winners". I still think written by one side, not necessarily the winners or the whole truth. But I am not trying to misquote you so I will take that out.

And the whole "God smiling down" part? Where'd that come from?

This is the main problem. It's hard to have any kind of a constructive dialog when one side gets to just make up what ever it wants.

I'm asking for the specific definition of which international laws have been broken.

If anyone would like to drop all belly aching and help me out here, I'm all ears.

The God (not) smiling down on what we have done is my opinion, and since we are in America, I am still entitled to it. Sorry that my opinion doesn't meet your intellectual standards (but I am not really sorry). The deaths of all the humans are the cause of my heart aching, not belly.

If you really want to know the exacts of the international laws breaking, why not email Dennis?

Justine, you are more than welcome to your opinion. It has nothing to do with intellectual standards, it's just a matter of answering the question appropriately.

Whenever I ask people why they think that this is an illegal war, I mostly get a long diatribe stating casualty numbers etc.

Is it sad that people are dying? YES! Does it at all answer the question? NO!

Well I am patiently awaiting the reply to your question, even though I think the laws broken here are enough for me, but I also have a lot of questions I posed that aren't answered. And one that I haven't posed is if everything was done illegally here, why does this administration have more people fired and quit than any other administration?

I think the laws broken here are enough for me

once again, you're assuming that there were laws broken here.

why does this administration have more people fired and quit than any other administration?

do you have the numbers to back this up or is this, once again, just speculation?

I will look into getting the numbers but with our own CIA and FBI being among them.....

As for breaking laws, you don't think lying to this country about why we went in there is breaking a law? Then discovering there were no nuclear weapons (even if there were we would have been responsible for funding them) and saying "oops. Let's send in more troops..." The administration purposely deceived this country. Are you saying that we were OK to try to impeach Clinton for an affair, but not within our right to hold Bush accountable? How is the former breaking a law, and the latter not?