The Incredible Shrinking Hospital Site Development
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:59 am
The latest plan is for a small affordable apartment building at the South end of the Big Hole. What a waste.
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BillBill Call wrote:The latest plan is for a small affordable apartment building at the South end of the Big Hole. What a waste.
Jim, agreed. Better to wait for those responsible for this debacle to attrit away from their positions of influence and desire for personal gain, all whilst considering the better and best use for the hole and the surrounding downtown district. To do otherwise would risk further reward to them, and most importantly risk mediocrity.Jim O'Bryan wrote:BillBill Call wrote:The latest plan is for a small affordable apartment building at the South end of the Big Hole. What a waste.
The loss of the hospital was born out of a truly mediocre secret plan. that started to be diminished in scoop and value from day one. It went from a Rec Center, to a mix-use building to smaller and smaller and smaller. Until, the started BuildLakewood for an idea, any idea to fill the whole they themselves dug.
It is odd that the people that demand the Holespital needs to be filled are the same people that supported closing a publicly owned, award winning hospital and the front steps of a pandemic, and amazing growth in health care. These people are both foolish and embarrassed with ZERO base in what is real in the world and possible. I get it, they hate being proved liars and fools daily. But that doesn't mean we need to listen to them now or every again.
I think the city should hold on until something worthwhile, and as grand as what they stole from the public in value and future. If it takes two years, OK a decade fine. To jump into anything because liars and schemers led us to this deadend. Now that would be stupid.
The problem in Lakewood is the schemers are still here and bending the ears of elected officials, while 98% of the city has come to grips with their massive failure. So the complete dibacles of the last two administrations are being forced onto the current administration. While the facts are, the current administration has done such a good running the city, we are not in a position to accept anything but the BEST, and shop around for it.
When ever a person says, "Why won't they fill the Holespital?" I ask, "were you for closing it?" Most of the time the answer is "yes."
A very silly reason to throw away our future.
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As of today the estimated cost to complete the project is $20 million more than the last years estimate. Those costs will continue to increase. Banks are refusing to finance the entire project now and I don't see them changing their minds any time soon.David Anderson wrote: 4 - The shape of the original office space building will largely remain the same (25:50).
5 - All Members of Council voted to go into executive session (30:55).
BillBill Call wrote:David Anderson wrote: As of today the estimated cost to complete the project is $20 million more than the last years estimate. Those costs will continue to increase. Banks are refusing to finance the entire project now and I don't see them changing their minds any time soon.
The project will never be completed without even more taxpayer subsidies. To what end?
Overall the Council and the Mayor are doing a fine job but you all have a blind spot when it comes to Hospital site development.
DavidDavid Anderson wrote:Mr. Call, you wrote, "The latest plan is for a small affordable apartment building at the South end of the Big Hole."
Jim, you wrote, "It is called scrubbing the crime scene."
There is no change in design or overall plan (20:40) other than an additional story being added to the space that was to be occupied by Roundstone - Building A.
Yes, the whole thing sucks. I get it. Believe me, I get it. The fate of Lakewood Hospital was sealed long before the issue got to City Council.
- LHA would have been bankrupt with 4-5 years to go on the lease.
- LHA was solely responsible for operating losses, not the Clinic.
- Revenue producing medical services (services resulting in in-patient beds being occupied at a higher rate) were moved to Fairview and to the Clinic's main campus and were not coming back.
- The Clinic had unilateral veto power over whether to allow new capital improvement projects which is significant when the Lakewood Hospital complex needed $90 million in improvements.
- LHF, always has been and always will be a private foundation, was not interested in investing in the hospital complex.
- Less private pay health care consumers now and projected forward.
- Metro was not a viable option and was never formally reviewed by Metro's Board.
- UH, the original tenant that was established after Lakewood residents voted to get out of the municipal hospital business in 198? and establish the LHA, was not interested at all.
- No other hospital entity wanted to enter this market: not enough doctors and not enough patients for a new entity to share with UH, Clinic and Metro.
So let's get this straight before you run off.David Anderson wrote:LHA total assets were deteriorating thus the position that it would be bankrupt 4-6 years prior to the end of the lease.
“Maybe you deserve it?” Are you serious? There is zero chance that those words came out of my mouth if I thought you could be a victim of some sort of crime or intimidation. I’m done with you personally attacking me.
David Anderson wrote:Mr. Call, you wrote, "The latest plan is for a small affordable apartment building at the South end of the Big Hole."
Jim, you wrote, "It is called scrubbing the crime scene."
There is no change in design or overall plan (20:40) other than an additional story being added to the space that was to be occupied by Roundstone - Building A.
Yes, the whole thing sucks. I get it. Believe me, I get it. The fate of Lakewood Hospital was sealed long before the issue got to City Council.
- LHA would have been bankrupt with 4-5 years to go on the lease.
- LHA was solely responsible for operating losses, not the Clinic.
- Revenue producing medical services (services resulting in in-patient beds being occupied at a higher rate) were moved to Fairview and to the Clinic's main campus and were not coming back.
- The Clinic had unilateral veto power over whether to allow new capital improvement projects which is significant when the Lakewood Hospital complex needed $90 million in improvements.
- LHF, always has been and always will be a private foundation, was not interested in investing in the hospital complex.
- Less private pay health care consumers now and projected forward.
- Metro was not a viable option and was never formally reviewed by Metro's Board.
- UH, the original tenant that was established after Lakewood residents voted to get out of the municipal hospital business in 198? and establish the LHA, was not interested at all.
- No other hospital entity wanted to enter this market: not enough doctors and not enough patients for a new entity to share with UH, Clinic and Metro.