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How Much Is Charlie Costing The City?

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:47 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Well nothing, if they followed the law as laid down by the Ohio Supreme Court.

But instead rumors have filtered out of City Hall, that our overworked Law Department has hired an outside firm, to throw Charlie the pet out, or have him put down.

As Mark Kindt has pointed out, the City of Lakewood is bringing all of these lawsuits on themselves.

Besides Charlie, there are many other cases being fought against residents, that the city continues to fight, even after the courts have ruled against them, time and time again.

As Mr. Kindt, how much more can Lakewood through away in frivolous defenses against residents that have the law on their side?

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Re: How Much Is Charlie Costing The City?

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:12 am
by Mark Kindt
Jim O'Bryan wrote:Ask Mr. Kindt, how much more can Lakewood throw away in frivolous defenses against residents that have the law on their side?.
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Likely, a rather incredible amount! However, I have not actually seen amounts that tally this spending. They have outside counsel costs in the following case:

1. The Taxpayer Lawsuit,

2. The Open Meetings Lawsuit (Skindell v. Madigan),

3. The Public Records Lawsuit (the Essi Mandamus Action),

4. The let's not eject Charlie from Lakewood lawsuit.

Let's keep in mind that in these lawsuits, citizens are merely seeking that the city administration comply with laws (or interpretations of laws) that are well established. In both, items 2 and 3, there are strong arguments presented elsewhere that the city administration and its lawyers have pushed-the-envelope in ways that are improper.

Re: How Much Is Charlie Costing The City?

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:12 am
by Jim O'Bryan
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Re: How Much Is Charlie Costing The City?

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:46 am
by Bridget Conant
Don’t forget the civil rights violation lawsuit filed against the city and police department personnel regarding the girl injured at the library. That’s in Federal court.

The dog lawsuit is indefensible. But hey, it’s not THEIR pocket the money is coming out of - its OUR money - the taxpayers.

Re: How Much Is Charlie Costing The City?

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:53 am
by Michael Deneen
Charlie isn't costing us anything.
Mike Summers, on the other hand, is costing us millions of dollars and destroying our reputation. When young people see crap like BSL they know the real intention of the legislation.....and they realize that the "Lakewood loves Diversity" narrative is a total lie.

Re: How Much Is Charlie Costing The City?

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:07 am
by Bridget Conant
When young people see crap like BSL they know the real intention of the legislation.....and they realize that the "Lakewood loves Diversity" narrative is a total lie.
Great point.

The social media backlash is largely among the more youthful voters. And you are correct - they see the insidious reasons behind the ban.

But the good thing is that it brought out voters. The millennials propelled Rader and George to the top spots.

This portends well for Lakewood. Hopefully, we will see a change to a more progressive agenda, not the destructive, paranoid, divisive, boot-licking course the current administration has pursued.

Re: How Much Is Charlie Costing The City?

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:00 am
by Matthew Lee
Bridget Conant wrote:The millennials propelled Rader and George to the top spots.
Is this an actual fact? I am not trying to be facetious but wondering if the age of voters is something we can look up somewhere to see. Very interested in the demographic breakdown of the votes.

Re: How Much Is Charlie Costing The City?

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:29 am
by Bridget Conant
Matthew

The county board of elections does not, AFAIK, issue a report by age group. However, there will be a breakdown by precinct for each candidate. From the precinct report you can infer demographic info such as income and general age.

As of today I have yet to see the precinct reports online.

My gut feeling is that younger voters voted more heavily in favor of George and Rader who both were very active on social media and anti-BSL.

It will be interesting to see the reports. Likely, the Clifton Park and north of the Williams-Sonoma line precincts voted for the Team Summers candidates.

Re: How Much Is Charlie Costing The City?

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:32 am
by Kate McCarthy
Matthew Lee wrote:
Bridget Conant wrote:The millennials propelled Rader and George to the top spots.
Is this an actual fact? I am not trying to be facetious but wondering if the age of voters is something we can look up somewhere to see. Very interested in the demographic breakdown of the votes.
Just checked the board of election's website and downloaded the voter data for Lakewood. Information on the most recent election is not yet posted, but since year of birth is a field that is included in the spreadsheet, historical trends in voter age could be calculated. It would be interesting to see how it looks.

Re: How Much Is Charlie Costing The City?

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:40 pm
by Bridget Conant
First showdown Dog vs City.

Several Amicus briefs in support of Scott were submitted. The court has to agree to allow them to be entered. Of course, the city filed briefs in opposition and asked that they be denied or stricken.

Judge Nugent granted the Amicus briefs!

Dog wins Round One!

Not looking good for the city. It’s time someone told Stubborn Summers to give it up and spare the taxpayers.

Re: How Much Is Charlie Costing The City?

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:44 am
by Mark Kindt
Bridget Conant wrote:First showdown Dog vs City.

Several Amicus briefs in support of Scott were submitted. The court has to agree to allow them to be entered. Of course, the city filed briefs in opposition and asked that they be denied or stricken.

Judge Nugent granted the Amicus briefs!

Dog wins Round One!

Not looking good for the city. It’s time someone told Stubborn Summers to give it up and spare the taxpayers.
Moving to exclude these friends-of-the-court briefs is entirely consistent with the city administration's efforts to impair open debate on public issues, no matter what the forum.

Re: How Much Is Charlie Costing The City?

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:49 am
by mjkuhns
Bridget Conant wrote:First showdown Dog vs City.
One of the cable channels needs to look at making Dog vs City into a new series.

Re: How Much Is Charlie Costing The City?

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:43 pm
by Bridget Conant
mjkuhns wrote:
Bridget Conant wrote:First showdown Dog vs City.
One of the cable channels needs to look at making Dog vs City into a new series.

A reality show?

In Lakewood, it would have to be an “alternate reality” show.

Re: How Much Is Charlie Costing The City?

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:07 pm
by Stan Austin
Matt Kuhns said [quoOne of the cable channels needs to look at making Dog vs City into a new series.
te][/quote] I would hesitate before putting a dog into today's treacherous media environment.

Re: How Much Is Charlie Costing The City?

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:56 pm
by jackie f taylor
lol, my head is going to explode, I have such a simple life, I appreciate you folks who are trying to fix things, I haven't got a clue, I'm just lucky I can type.