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Water Bill Propaganda Claims Hospital Site "Being Readied For Redevelopment in Next 5 Years."

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:23 am
by Brian Essi
So another Water Bill Propaganda piece hit the mailboxes of Summers' subjects (the residents of Lakewood).

The 10th bullet point down references the "Big Dream" of Summers and the group formerly known as the Bleeders.

Why is it 10th down? Are they admitting that the "Big Dream" isn't panning out?

How is the empty and gutted hospital site being "readied for redevelopment"?

What does "in the next 5 years" mean?

Is the city secretly (and illegally) spending public money to do do this "readying"?

If so, why would the city spend money to "ready" something when they have no idea who or what they are "readying" it for?

Or is this claim in the 10th bullet point just another "BIG LIE"?
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Re: Water Bill Propaganda Claims Hospital Site "Being Readied For Redevelopment in Next 5 Years."

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:35 am
by Amy Martin
Colin McEwan has yet to give me a list of the 4,000 small businesses that call Lakewood home, and could not explain his claim that 75% of Lakewood workers work for small businesses . .. .

Does anyone recall the fable, "The Emperor's New Clothes"?

Re: Water Bill Propaganda Claims Hospital Site "Being Readied For Redevelopment in Next 5 Years."

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:47 am
by Brian Essi
Amy Martin wrote:Colin McEwan has yet to give me a list of the 4,000 small businesses that call Lakewood home, and could not explain his claim that 75% of Lakewood workers work for small businesses . .. .

Does anyone recall the fable, "The Emperor's New Clothes"?
When Summers made the claim in his campaign literature about the businesses opened under his watch, I asked for public records of businesses closed during the same period. Butler said they don't have any such records. So it would seem that the 4,000 business claim is a running total and businesses are never removed when they close and move.

People in control of the information have the ability to manipulate it.

For example, the lemonade stand across from Steve Davis' house--is that still counted as one of the 4,000?

Re: Water Bill Propaganda Claims Hospital Site "Being Readied For Redevelopment in Next 5 Years."

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:57 am
by tom monahan
Brian:

The myths continue to spew out of the administrative talking heads and in that latest propoganda piece there is a mention that the Clinic is spending upwards of $50-million to build the Medical Building. The original amount was $34-million`for a building that does not belong in Lakewood. Its glassy design belongs over on the east side of Cleveland. It appears that our clueless leaders against worked against the people of Lakewood in allowing the Clinic to foist a poorly designed building in our midst.

Also I heard that the Medical Director at our ER told folks at the Winton Place that if people need to be transported the Clinc's main campus that they would be taken to its downtown Cleveland Main Campus.

You see the myths continue from these people. There is no downtown Main Campus. It is located 95 blocks east of downtown in the Fairfax area of Cleveland. Just north of the Fairfax area is the Hough area and north of that is the Glenville area.
So using a fictitiious nomenclature for its actual location sanitizes the need to say "We're on the far east side of Cleveland".

I've been offering $20 ti anybody that can find the downtown location of the Clinic. I still have that 20 bucks in my pocket ,

Oh, by the way, the only downtown hospital is St. Vincent Charity Medical Center which just celebrated its 150th anniversary last year.

Re: Water Bill Propaganda Claims Hospital Site "Being Readied For Redevelopment in Next 5 Years."

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:18 pm
by Dan Alaimo
Does anybody know how the square footage of the top two floors of the new building compares to the combined square footage of the two buildings that will be closed? I've asked this a couple of times in different settings and have yet to get an answer.

Re: Water Bill Propaganda Claims Hospital Site "Being Readied For Redevelopment in Next 5 Years."

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:58 pm
by Bridget Conant
I think that, for once, a statement coming from city hall has some truth to it.
How is the empty and gutted hospital site being "readied for redevelopment"?

What does "in the next 5 years" mean?
The hospital site is tied up until CCF completes the medical office building and can move the ER. The current plan estimates that the new facility won't be ready until fourth quarter of 2018. That assumes no delays.

That is a full 2 1/2 years from today!

Then, the hospital building could be "repurposed" or demolished. Either course would take months. Then if new development were to be built, add another 1.5-2.5 years.

So it's true that NOTHING will be on that acreage for at least 5 years. That's a long time to have a parcel that is right smack in the middle of "downtowN" sit idle - an empty hole with no property tax or income tax revenue.

By that time, I expect Lakewood will really be hurting for money.

Re: Water Bill Propaganda Claims Hospital Site "Being Readied For Redevelopment in Next 5 Years."

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:41 pm
by Kate McCarthy
Bridget Conant wrote:I think that, for once, a statement coming from city hall has some truth to it.
How is the empty and gutted hospital site being "readied for redevelopment"?

What does "in the next 5 years" mean?
The hospital site is tied up until CCF completes the medical office building and can move the ER. The current plan estimates that the new facility won't be ready until fourth quarter of 2018. That assumes no delays.

That is a full 2 1/2 years from today!

Then, the hospital building could be "repurposed" or demolished. Either course would take months. Then if new development were to be built, add another 1.5-2.5 years.

So it's true that NOTHING will be on that acreage for at least 5 years. That's a long time to have a parcel that is right smack in the middle of "downtowN" sit idle - an empty hole with no property tax or income tax revenue.

By that time, I expect Lakewood will really be hurting for money.
Where is the hysteria about the empty bricks and mortar from the Jenn Paes and Patrick Waddens? One of the main contentions of the build people was that we would be left with empty buildings and/or vacant land unless this deal was sealed...immediately!!

Re: Water Bill Propaganda Claims Hospital Site "Being Readied For Redevelopment in Next 5 Years."

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:06 pm
by Michael Deneen
Kate McCarthy wrote:Where is the hysteria about the empty bricks and mortar from the Jenn Paes and Patrick Waddens?
I doubt they have any credible answer to your question. Jen and Patrick are busy moderating the CIty Hall-controlled "Lakewood Community" Facebook page, which is designed to control and spread the official City Hall message without any interference from those pesky SLH folks.

Re: Water Bill Propaganda Claims Hospital Site "Being Readied For Redevelopment in Next 5 Years."

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:27 pm
by Bridget Conant
One of the main contentions of the build people was that we would be left with empty buildings and/or vacant land unless this deal was sealed...immediately!!
And look what we got. SMH. :roll:

Re: Water Bill Propaganda Claims Hospital Site "Being Readied For Redevelopment in Next 5 Years."

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:27 pm
by Brian Essi
Kate McCarthy wrote:
Bridget Conant wrote:I think that, for once, a statement coming from city hall has some truth to it.
How is the empty and gutted hospital site being "readied for redevelopment"?

What does "in the next 5 years" mean?
The hospital site is tied up until CCF completes the medical office building and can move the ER. The current plan estimates that the new facility won't be ready until fourth quarter of 2018. That assumes no delays.

That is a full 2 1/2 years from today!

Then, the hospital building could be "repurposed" or demolished. Either course would take months. Then if new development were to be built, add another 1.5-2.5 years.

So it's true that NOTHING will be on that acreage for at least 5 years. That's a long time to have a parcel that is right smack in the middle of "downtowN" sit idle - an empty hole with no property tax or income tax revenue.

By that time, I expect Lakewood will really be hurting for money.
Where is the hysteria about the empty bricks and mortar from the Jenn Paes and Patrick Waddens? One of the main contentions of the build people was that we would be left with empty buildings and/or vacant land unless this deal was sealed...immediately!!
Summers, Pae, Bullock and BLers all said that keeping the hospital open would result in an "empty building"---they straight out lied to voters and accused SLH's position of ending in exactly what Summers et al all KNEW would be the result of THEIR "plan". The funded their "PAC of Lies" with money they took from all of us.

This is why one elected leader called it the Grandest Scandal of All.

Re: Water Bill Propaganda Claims Hospital Site "Being Readied For Redevelopment in Next 5 Years."

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:59 am
by Lori Allen _
I believe that Lakewood Hospital was a profitable hospital until Summers and Company and Extended Company began their decanting plan to purposely run our hospital into the ground so that they could began their ultimate takeover. I would bet money that somehow Summers and Company will somehow work a recreation center into the site and name it after Summers. That's OK Mayor, you have already left a legacy here in Lakewood that will never be forgotten. I believe it will be a legacy of lies, deceit, and greed. People will NEVER forget that you chose your buddies at CCF over their 1,500 jobs, not to mention Lakewood's largest tax base. Tell us Mayor, how soon till the wolf comes knocking on our doors needing more tax money? You are a coward and a failure!

Re: Water Bill Propaganda Claims Hospital Site "Being Readied For Redevelopment in Next 5 Years."

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:55 am
by Bill Call
Brian Essi wrote:So another Water Bill Propaganda piece hit the mailboxes of Summers' subjects (the residents of Lakewood).

The 10th bullet point down references the "Big Dream" of Summers and the group formerly known as the Bleeders.

Why is it 10th down? Are they admitting that the "Big Dream" isn't panning out?

How is the empty and gutted hospital site being "readied for redevelopment"?

What does "in the next 5 years" mean?

Is the city secretly (and illegally) spending public money to do do this "readying"?

If so, why would the city spend money to "ready" something when they have no idea who or what they are "readying" it for?

Or is this claim in the 10th bullet point just another "BIG LIE"?
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They have been planning the destruction of the Hospital for at least 5 years and they still have no plan to replace the 1,500 jobs and millions in economic activity that they gave away.

All of the land East of Belle is going to be used by the Clinic or kept as housing. The current Emergency room parking lot is going to be used by the Clinic for its new medical office building. The Curtis Building is going to be preserved and the Hospital frontage is going to be preserved. Just what kind of development is going to fit in the remaining space?

Re: Water Bill Propaganda Claims Hospital Site "Being Readied For Redevelopment in Next 5 Years."

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:06 am
by Bridget Conant
All of the land East of Belle is going to be used by the Clinic or kept as housing. The current Emergency room parking lot is going to be used by the Clinic for its new medical office building. The Curtis Building is going to be preserved and the Hospital frontage is going to be preserved. Just what kind of development is going to fit in the remaining space

Reminds me of this "Dream big" project that never was:

http://www.lakewoodobserver.com/read/06 ... project-in

The failed project to build condos on the river left two parcels vacant - parcels that formerly brought in property tax now are valued at a fraction of the previous price and sit barren as an unsightly reminder of developer's big promises.

Re: Water Bill Propaganda Claims Hospital Site "Being Readied For Redevelopment in Next 5 Years."

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:57 am
by Bridget Conant
Six years after and STILL just promises:

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ss ... _cond.html

Now 4 more years and still NOTHING.