Lakewood Hospital to Renovate, Expand

[David Lay]

This is great news!

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/8750

[Jim DeVito]

This is very good news. While sometimes I debate weather or not the clinic should pay property taxes on the most sought after real estate in Cleveland. It is good that the non profit business model of plowing all the profits back into the business seems to be working for them. At least it is not another 50 million dollar parking garage!! IT only bods well for Lakewood that an institution like the clinic thinks enough of the future of Lakewood to spend untold millions here.

[Jim O'Bryan]

[Bill Call]

This is great news!

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/8750

What affect will a 50% reduction in hospital beds have on employment and payroll?

If the four hundred room hospital is to become a 200 hundred bed hospital dedicated to geriatric care will the hospital become more nursing home that hosptial?

What services now available at the hospital will no longer be available?

Which Clinic facility will see the increase in beds?

If there is no net loss of hospital beds where will the expansion take place?

If there is an expansion of space will the Clinic continue its current practice of demolishing Lakewoods finest homes or will it expand along the commercial district along Detroit Avenue?

What are the estimated affects on future revenue?

What are the estimated affects on future costs?

This is an old question that was never answered but: What is the true rental value of all that property leased by the Clinic and since they don't charge Lakewood residents any less for services where is the money saved invested?

I have more questions but since I don't expect these to be answered I'll move on.

[Jim O'Bryan]

This is great news!

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/8750

What affect will a 50% reduction in hospital beds have on employment and payroll?

If the four hundred room hospital is to become a 200 hundred bed hospital dedicated to geriatric care will the hospital become more nursing home that hosptial?

What services now available at the hospital will no longer be available?

Which Clinic facility will see the increase in beds?

If there is no net loss of hospital beds where will the expansion take place?

If there is an expansion of space will the Clinic continue its current practice of demolishing Lakewoods finest homes or will it expand along the commercial district along Detroit Avenue?

What are the estimated affects on future revenue?

What are the estimated affects on future costs?

This is an old question that was never answered but: What is the true rental value of all that property leased by the Clinic and since they don't charge Lakewood residents any less for services where is the money saved invested?

I have more questions but since I don't expect these to be answered I'll move on.

Bill, Bill, Bill

I will ask these questions, and hopefully post the answers.

The hospital has always been very open and willing to talk as you know.

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[Bill Call]

I would have thought the decision to convert a 400 bed hospital into a 200 bed nursing home would have had been discussed before implemented.

This decision wasn't made yesterday.

[Jim O'Bryan]

I would have thought the decision to convert a 400 bed hospital into a 200 bed nursing home would have had been discussed before implemented.

This decision wasn't made yesterday.

Bill

What do you know about Lakewood Hospital's Senior Services program?

For two years you have said that the hospital was pulling out and not willing to reinvest in Lakewood. They announced their fourth reinvestment in Lakewood in two year years, totaling nearly $80,000,000 dollars, and it means nothing.

No go read your Pannara Bread post. Have you been in the Curves space?
Have you looked east, north, and west?

Just curious.


peace

[Bill Call]

For two years you have said that the hospital was pulling out and not willing to reinvest in Lakewood. They announced their fourth reinvestment in Lakewood in two year years, totaling nearly $80,000,000 dollars, and it means nothing.

Converting a 400 bed hospital into a 200 bed hospital is not expanding.

Where will those 200 hundred patients go?
When was this decision made?
Is this why the Clinic has been transfering doctors to other locations?
Will the proposed changes generate the same $50 million generated each year by those 200 hospital beds?

[Jim O'Bryan]

For two years you have said that the hospital was pulling out and not willing to reinvest in Lakewood. They announced their fourth reinvestment in Lakewood in two year years, totaling nearly $80,000,000 dollars, and it means nothing.

Converting a 400 bed hospital into a 200 bed hospital is not expanding.

Where will those 200 hundred patients go?
When was this decision made?
Is this why the Clinic has been transfering doctors to other locations?
Will the proposed changes generate the same $50 million generated each year by those 200 hospital beds?

Bill

Never said expanding, said reinvesting. That would be the word you seem to use most when complaining about the hospital. The hospital is pulling out, cash cow not reinvesting.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Lakewood Hospital to Renovate, Expand
David Lay wrote:
This is great news!

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/8750


What affect will a 50% reduction in hospital beds have on employment and payroll?

If the four hundred room hospital is to become a 200 hundred bed hospital dedicated to geriatric care will the hospital become more nursing home that hosptial?

What services now available at the hospital will no longer be available?

Which Clinic facility will see the increase in beds?

If there is no net loss of hospital beds where will the expansion take place?

If there is an expansion of space will the Clinic continue its current practice of demolishing Lakewoods finest homes or will it expand along the commercial district along Detroit Avenue?

So what is it, do you want them to expand, or not. Do you want a larger hospital, or those homes?

The one problem I would say is if we reduce employment, Lakewood loses.

Still wondering over your misplaced excitement for other news.

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[Bill Call]

So what is it, do you want them to expand, or not. Do you want a larger hospital, or those homes?

The one problem I would say is if we reduce employment, Lakewood loses.

If the Clinic wants to build a new building it can be built along Detroit Avenue. It doesn't need to build by tearing down houses on Belle.

The Clinic is going to turn a 400 bed hospital into a 200 bed hospital. Will they need the same number of doctors and nurses and administrators?

Which hospital will get the 200 patients per day that once received treatment at Lakewood Hospital?

Is this something they just thought of yesterday or has the 50% cut in beds been planned for quite a while?

[Jim O'Bryan]

So what is it, do you want them to expand, or not. Do you want a larger hospital, or those homes?

The one problem I would say is if we reduce employment, Lakewood loses.

If the Clinic wants to build a new building it can be built along Detroit Avenue. It doesn't need to build by tearing down houses on Belle.

The Clinic is going to turn a 400 bed hospital into a 200 bed hospital. Will they need the same number of doctors and nurses and administrators?

Which hospital will get the 200 patients per day that once received treatment at Lakewood Hospital?


Bill

I am pretty sure they have asked the businesses on Detroit that rent from the hospital to move. This one reason why Lakewood Christian Serves is now on Madison.

So you can take that one off your gripe list.

I also do not see the reduction, all I read is that all rooms will be private, much like Fairview. When Fairview did it with their expansion I believe there was a net gain in beds. I am not sure that is true here in Lakewood, but it would seem they are very committed to the city.

One of the things that the Clinic has been doing for years in turning each hospital into "general" and a specialty. That way they can serve the community, then after diagnosis, they can move you into the best Clinic hospital for you. I do not see how this is a bad thing except for the rare moment in scheduling. Like a mother and daughter get scheduled at the same time in different hospitals. This also allows them to get the best equipment and techies together.

Again, your overjoy for one, and underjoy for another when looked at the larger scale of things is very confusing.

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Is this something they just thought of yesterday or has the 50% cut in beds been planned for quite a while?

[Bill Call]

That way they can serve the community, then after diagnosis, they can move you into the best Clinic hospital for you. I do not see how this is a bad thing except for the rare moment in scheduling. Like a mother and daughter get scheduled at the same time in different hospitals. This also allows them to get the best equipment and techies together.

That actually makes sense for the hospital and for Lakewood. If there are no (substantial) job cuts.

So let it be written. So let it be done.

Fini

[Jim O'Bryan]

That actually makes sense for the hospital and for Lakewood. If there are no (substantial) job cuts.

So let it be written. So let it be done.

Fini

Bill

This is certainly where you and I agree. The Clinic with tax exempt status could easily be seen as a burden on a city until we look at wages, services, and what they do for a community.

Lakewood Hosptial, and the Clinic are good for this city. With them here we should be able to attract more good businesses, and residents.

Not simply because they are an advertiser, but because of what they represent and do for Lakewood.


FWIW


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[Gary Rice]

Although I too, wqould question any decisions for fewer beds at the hospital, there's no question in my mind that the geriatric (elderly) and neurological care expansions talked about would be great.

After all, when the great unwashed masses in our town discover that they'll have to start lugging those big trash dumpsters to the curb, I would suspect that there could well be an exponential increase in strokes, as well as with a corresponding increase in elderly medical needs.