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Buyer Beware, a Horror Story

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:46 am
by Mark Crnolatas
I purchased a new computer at Delta Computers, which is a good computer store. I've known Jim the owner since he first started.
Due to my going through a period of sleeping in the day, working at night, I went in to buy a computer, and without really being alert, told Jim what I wanted to use it for. I found one in stock and paid I think, a total of around 1200 or more for the comp and a not well known flat screen monitor.
When I got it home, it didn't do what I needed it to do, but it took me a few days to get back to anyone at the store. I had them take my power supply and video card, and put it into the new computer, since my "old stuff" was of higher value. I later found the motherboard's FSB wasnt fast enough to handle the better video card, so now I had the original investment, more money for a new motherboard, and also a newer video card than what came with the 1200 computer.
A good guy from the deck came and gave me a hand, replaced the motherboard, to fit the processors that came with it.
Still no improvement in graphic performance.
I found through a buddy of mine I re-connected with who we grew up together since 4 yrs old, and who has been an IT pro for the last 20 years, that the components of that machine added up to under 200.00 tops, plus the motherboard isnt made anymore. What is good is the case, the hard drive and my old power supply. The rest, nope.
Now, I'm having graphic problems and shut-down problems again.
I'm not made of money and so far, I guess I have a 1500.00 computer that works like a 150.00 computer.

All I wanted was a really good high performance machine.

I guess the moral of the story is "Buyer beware, know as much as the people your buying from". I don't blame Delta, I blame myself for not knowing what exactly I was paying for.

Since then I have learned what I need, but now, money being short, it looks like I have a 1500.00 paper weight.

Now I've found I could have a high performance machine for 600.00 easy.

Mark Allan Crnolatas

*** Object Lessons are expensive. :(

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:53 am
by Bryan Schwegler
That's why you should just always buy a Mac. ;)

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:03 am
by David Lay
Agreed. You might pay more, but it has been proven time and time again that you will save money in the long run with upgrades, support and repair.

Macs 'just work'.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:03 am
by Bill Grulich
Yes, Macs are the best!

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:10 am
by David Lay
Here's an interesting read:

http://www.networkworld.com/best/2006/0 ... tml?page=1

He compared the cost of ownership of WinTel PC, MacTel computers and Linux desktops. He found that the cost of ownership of a WinTel computer was over twice that of a Mac.

You might pay more up front for a Mac, but you'll save thousands in the long run.

Would you like a Yugo or a Ferrari? :wink:

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:05 am
by Vince Frantz
When I was 17, I paid about $4,000 for a USED Mac IIx setup (monitor, cd-rom, scanner) in 1991. I used it until 1994 when I bought a USED PowerMac 8100 for about $3,000 (CPU/19" monitor). Since then I have purchased several Macs and PCs for myself and family.

However - the thought of Macs being "expensive" today is just absurd to me.

A NEW Mac Mini costs $600 and a 24" iMac with 320BG drive, 1GB ram and a 8X DVD burner costs only $1,800.

Granted - people may also need to purchase/run specialized Windows-only software (games, Autocad) that you may only need a $600 PC to run. But you would be missing out on the real stars of the Mac show which is Mac OS X and the many many many specialized Mac-only software packages that come FREE with the Mac or at very affordable prices.

I had a long time Windows friend tell me he recently bought an iMac. He then told me "I don't understand why people talk sh** about Macs! This is the best computer I ever owned. People seriously need to wake up". Nuff said.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:11 am
by David Lay
Great post, Vince.

I still use a 400MHz Blue & White Mac G3, running OSX Tiger. Haven't upgraded to anything new because A: can't afford it; and B: this one runs just fine.

I have maxed out the memory to 1GB, and recently added a SATA card & 80GB hard drive. Runs beautifully. I may upgrade the processor to a 1GB G3, to give it an extra boost in Photoshop.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:53 am
by Bryan Schwegler
David Lay wrote:Great post, Vince.

I still use a 400MHz Blue & White Mac G3, running OSX Tiger. Haven't upgraded to anything new because A: can't afford it; and B: this one runs just fine.

I have maxed out the memory to 1GB, and recently added a SATA card & 80GB hard drive. Runs beautifully. I may upgrade the processor to a 1GB G3, to give it an extra boost in Photoshop.
That's the great thing about Macs. Generally just by maxing out the RAM you can use a Mac so much longer than a comparable Windows PC.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:16 am
by David Lay
It also helps that thanks to its BSD/UNIX underpinnings, that OSX memory management is much better than Windows.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:48 pm
by dl meckes
David Lay wrote:It also helps that thanks to its BSD/UNIX underpinnings, that OSX memory management is much better than Windows.
No, It really helps that I don't have to know or think about any of that stuff. I just max the memory and she goes.

Now I can run Windows with Parallel if I need to do that.

But the bottom line is, turn it on and go.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:50 pm
by Bryan Schwegler
BTW, just thought I'd share for anyone looking for an inexpensive Mac, there are several places that are great for finding them:

http://smalldog.com
http://lowendmac.com

Or the refurbished section at
http://store.apple.com

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:00 pm
by David Lay
Every time I go to the Apple Store (Crocker Park opening soon!), I always walk up to one of the display Macs and start up Parallels.

Ah, the irony of Windows...in a window!

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:00 pm
by dl meckes
I'm typing on a refurbished Mac from TechRestore.com. Our other Mac was refurbished from Apple.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:03 pm
by Bryan Schwegler
David Lay wrote:Every time I go to the Apple Store (Crocker Park opening soon!), I always walk up to one of the display Macs and start up Parallels.

Ah, the irony of Windows...in a window!
Actually I love having the ability to run Parallels on my Macbook. It comes in very handy in those rare circumstances I really need Windows for something...like when I had to up the wireless dongle for my home alarm system.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:06 pm
by David Lay
Someday I'll be able to afford a MacBook...

Until then, my G3 will be chugging right along!

I love the fact that Macs tend to 'just work', but also has UNIX under the hood for geeks like me. I'm always running a Terminal window on my desktop!