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Lunch Lady Land
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:10 pm
by Dan Slife
Fellow Observers,
Over frozen custard at Rozati's this evening (after showing our support for the Lakewood Jaycee's Wing Off), my family and I discussed the deteriorated state of cafeteria foods at public schools.
Back in the day.........(pre mid-70's?), the LHS cafeteria was in the business of preparing fresh meals... FROM SCRATCH! The lunch ladies were famous for their beef strogenoff, massed potatos, biscuts and gravy......... (what else?)
This cafeteria was staffed by a tight-knit click of Slavik moms and grandmas from Bird Town.
Somehow, my paternal grandmother, of alleged 'lace-curtain' decent, was able to penitrate their ranks and served for several years as a steward of the wholesome grub-line.
I'm collecting data for a story on the Great Transition, from wholesome, Eurocentric cooking..... to processed, pre-packed, microwaveable 'American Style' cooking at the LHR cafeteria. In other words, from dishes that included veggies, to ones consisting mainly of meat, cheese and starch, not to mention DOA
If anyone can connect me with living Slavik members of the wholesome grub line, or personal stories that may add color to my scope, please share.
Dan
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:23 pm
by Kenneth Warren
Dan:
Great story idea.
What were the pressure points that drove the shake-out of the wholesome/healthy food?
Was there a shift in the ethnographic mix of the city, causing labor pool or tastes to shift?
As you work the time line, you might investigate if/when any particular federal programs or regulations might have caused a shift in the model.
Do federally subsidized meals require certain menus, equipment, processing and sources of supply?
Maybe Tony Beno or contacts at Slovak Club or St. Cyril & M. can provide informants.
It would be interesting to see what St. Cyril is serving up, too. The shift may total with no place serving the healthy foods of yesterday.
I look forward to reading the story.
Kenneth Warren
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:44 pm
by Dan Slife
Thanks Ken,
Your suggestions are helpful. The policy front is crucial, drawing my mind to the federal subsidies for corn/soybean which make the mass production of processed food products possible/profitable.
Subsidy -> Agribusiness ->
Nutritional/Process regulation
Sysco -> Lunch Tray
Yummy......they've even firgured out how to make the freezer-burned spots, nearly edible!
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:05 pm
by Mike Deneen
If Lakewood schools had meals made from scratch, it was a rarity.
I attended Cleveland Public Schools from 1973-76 (K-2) and various Catholic Schools from 76-86, including St. Edward (by the way, it's St. Edward, NOT St. Edward's....editors please note) my final four years.
I seem to recall various processed foods (chicken patties, fish patties (Catholic Fridays), jello, spaghetti, etc) along with the little box of milk. There was also a food product that they tried to call pizza, which was an abomination to the term. I can honestly say that I have never once thought to myself "I really miss that school food from Mount Carmel!" However, kindergarten naptime after a box of milk was cool.
Oh, I almost forgot....tater tots! There's some home cookin' for you.
(insert Napoleon Dynamite joke here)
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:33 pm
by Grace O'Malley
I agree with Mike.
I'm a tad older than you, Dan, and I very clearly remember school lunches from the late sixties and early 70's and none were equivalent to what I was being served at home.
What may have looked like homemade, e.g. mashed potatoes and gravy, most likely came not from potatoes that were freshly peeled, boiled and smashed, but from a box of dehydrated potato flakes, with plenty of milk and margarine added.
Breakfast was available, too: doughnuts from Dougnut Kitchen.
The quality of food made for mass consumption has not been healthy or made from scratch for a LONG time.
Re: Lunch Lady Land
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:59 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Dan
I have to agree with Mike and Grace. Back when I was in High School, the staple was white bread sandwiches with peanut butter and jelly, a hard roll with too much butter, and mashed potatoes and gravy. Later you could get a stolen ice cream sandwich for a dime from one of the junkies in the smoking area!
I am sure that the schools were trying to provide healthy food, but I never got to that part of the line.
It was all about getting filled up for the least amount of cash.
That way we would have money for extra-curricular activities and I do not mean Grey-Y.
Of course these were simpler times before gangs, drugs, alcohol, weapons, etc.
FWIW
.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:54 am
by Stan Austin
Dan-- I went to Harding in the early '60s and the lunches were delicious! Everyday I took 60cents. I bought the special which was a small dinner- meat, potatoes, and a vegetable, 2 milks and dessert for 56 cents (I brought home the 4 cents).
It was all good food because by then I could tell the difference between decent food and the bad.
It must have been good because I was in a death match with a classmate for the highest number of pullups and pushups in Harding history.
I talked with a gym teacher a few years ago and the kids today couldn't even think of matching us.
Lunch at LHS was good but I just have fond memories of lunch at Harding.
Stan
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:21 am
by dl meckes
I remember lots of mystery meat.
But I became completely addicted to the peanut butter and apple jelly sandwiches and the coffee from the machine in the old cafeteria.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:37 am
by Ellen Malonis
Hi, All -
Thought you all might be interested to see the current offerings of the Lakewood City Schools Lunch Program. The menu is posted on their website:
http://lakewoodcityschools.org/district/menu/menu_lunch.htm
There are also a la carte items available, including snacks and ice cream.
Jim has nailed it again with this comment:
I am sure that the schools were trying to provide healthy food, but I never got to that part of the line.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:11 am
by Grace O'Malley
Interesting history of the development of the idea of serving food in the schools:
http://www.fns.usda.gov/cnd/Lunch/AboutLunch/ProgramHistory_2.htm
From there:
Cleveland
Elementary school lunch service began in Cleveland, Ohio, on December 6,1909, when the Cleveland Federation of Women's Clubs began serving breakfasts to 19 children at the Eagle School. One additional school was added in 1910, and by 1915 meals were being provided for all special classes in the grade schools, excepting the school for the deaf. In total about 710 children were being provided for each day.
School lunch services in Cleveland took on a unique aspect. The Board of Education furnished the equipment and provided the lunchrooms. However, "For crippled and open air children the Federation of Women's Clubs provides food and at each school employs a woman to prepare it. For the blind, the Society for Promoting the Interests of the Blind takes charge. The committees, in consultation with principal, medical inspector, and supervisor of high school lunches, make out the different menus. The Board of Education contracts with these committees to furnish meals to exceptional children in specified schools at so much per child per day, according to the kind and number of meals supplied. 16
In some schools the meals were served at 10 a.m. and again at 2 p.m., and the children went home for their noon lunch. In other schools the lunches were served at noon. Apparently "open air" children received the two lunches each day, and the noon meal was supplied for the blind and crippled children who did not go home at noon.
The meal generally consisted of "bread and jam and a hot dish, such as beef stew, minced meat with potatoes, thick soup, or macaroni with tomato sauce. A few, on order from the medical inspector, get milk in the morningâ€Â. 17
In the summer of 1909, lunchrooms were installed in seven high schools in Cleveland. For 16 years prior to this, lunches had been provided by "lunch wagons" going to the schools or by stores in the vicinity serving hot meals at noon. In some schools the "basket lunches" were served on the school premises by caterers. Even after the installation of lunchrooms and equipment in the seven high schools, the operations in the schools were actually conducted by the former caterers under contract with the Board of Education on a concessionaire basis.
In the contract the Board of Education agreed to furnish all the necessary equipment, as well as heat, light, gas and water, sufficient for the proper maintenance of the lunchrooms, and to replace all equipment rendered useless through natural wear and tear.
In 1914-15 the normal school and all high schools except two were provided with lunch services. This involved a total of 6,715 students. All items served were priced a la carte and a typical "menu" offered a selection from about 15 items, including milk. "In some schools the range of choice is too great, in others too small. In all it is uneven. Vegetable soup is always vegetable soup and the price is 4 cents; but price is the only constant factor, for the materials used vary from school to school. That is, a nickel will buy more food, often of better quality, in one school than it will in another.†18
Milk was furnished to all schools by one dairy selected by the lunchroom supervisor.
"All other supplies are chosen by the individual concessionaires, who are entirely responsible for the service. In a number of schools they prepare the food themselves, which increases their difficulties for they are frequently interrupted by trades people, by lunchroom helpers asking questions, by stray students who need attention, and by teachers on diet who want beef juice or an eggnog, or by other teachers who have a free hour and want a special meal. Lunch has to be prepared in between these demands and dishes are sometimes ready long before the regular lunch period.†19
Naturally, concessionaires had no guaranteed, minimum income. During the 1914-15 school year, concessionaire's profits ranged from $942 in one school to as little as $124 in another. The median for 10 schools was $605. The comments of a survey committee concerning the "Place of Lunch Service in the School System" is worthy of special note: "School lunches meet a natural need of all children. The purpose of the service is to teach children to choose wisely the food they buy. The conduct of school lunches is a business, an art, and a science.... The Superintendent of Lunches should have the same rank as the director of any other special division and be compensated accordingly. She should be subordinate to the educational department, for her work bears a direct relation to all health teaching in the schools and offers an opportunity to teach children the ethics and economies of spending, and various factors affecting the price of school meals and restaurant meals." 20 In the summary of its findings and recommendations the survey committee states, among other things. "The school lunch division should reach all children; it should provide wholesome and nutritious food for them at cost, train them in sane habits of eating, and teach them to choose wisely what food they buy.†21
Keep in mind that although the original goal was to provide "wholesome food at cost," it didn't take long for someone to recognize that the schools were a potential goldmine. From the school milk program promoted by the dairy industry, to the dumping of surplus cheese and other food products on the school food services, its never really been about the quality of the food or the health of the child.
For example, where did we get the idea that cow's milk is so good for us? Very few cultures continue to consume milk in its liquid form beyond infancy. Americans consume large amounts of animal fat by drinking milk because we were taught it was healthy for us. This is the result of a campaign to encourage milk drinking. Starting in grade school, where we eagerly look foward to "milk break." This was all done to promote the consumption of milk and increase the demand and price of milk for dairy farmers. Today, it is still hard to find skim milk in school cafeterias, even though its recognized that the fat in whole milk is undesirable and uneccessary in the diet.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:27 am
by Ellen Malonis
Today, it is still hard to find skim milk in school cafeterias, even though its recognized that the fat in whole milk is undesirable and uneccessary in the diet.
The schools offer whole, 2%, 1%, skim and chocolate milk. The chocolate outsells them all.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:56 am
by Grace O'Malley
I was speaking of schools in general, not just Lakewood.
In fact, many schools do not offer low fat alternatives. In addition, chocolate flavored milk is usually made with whole milk, or in some cases, 2% milk. It is obviously more attractive to kids yet it is not offered in a no fat version.
Schools are still being used to promote dairy consumption:
http://www.nmpf.org/news/dairyCoops/NDCissues.cfm?issue=40
From legislation in 2003:
The National Milk Producers Federation (NMPF) and the International Dairy Foods Association (IDFA) applauded the introduction last month of the Child Nutrition Improvement Act (S.1367), a bill to amend the National School Lunch Act that would establish programs to promote increased consumption of milk in schools and to improve the nutrition and health of children.
The goal being:
provides incentives to schools for increased milk consumption:
Whole milk had always been heavily promoted, and still is. Only now are there calls for lower fats offerings:
However, the report contained recommendations pertaining to milk's role in the school feeding program, namely to "increase the availability of low-fat and skim milk in federal feeding programs targeted to children, which currently favor the provision of whole milk (e.g., the National School Lunch Program)" and establishing a maximum saturated fat content for entrees in school meals.
Not that I'm picking on dairy; I find most of the school lunch program influenced by agribusiness and politics.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:09 am
by Grace O'Malley
Dan
I totally agree with you on the agribusiness and school lunch connection. What I didn't agree with is that it was somehow different, or better, "in the good old days." It's been like this since the 40's.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2003/01/ma_207_01.html
"Basically, it's a welfare program for suppliers of commodities," says Jennifer Raymond, a retired nutritionist in Northern California who has worked with schools to develop healthier menus. "It's a price support program for agricultural producers, and the schools are simply a way to get rid of the items that have been purchased."
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:53 am
by Ellen Malonis
I was speaking of schools in general, not just Lakewood.
Grace - I understand now...and you make very good points about the commodities/agribusiness connection. Hope Dan doesn't feel like he has bit off more than he can chew (pun intended!)
There is much detailed info on the National School Lunch Program at the USDA's Food and Nutrition Service Website:
http://www.fns.usda.gov
And the whole commodities connection is in there as well - following the links to Commodity Meal Rates, I found this amazing piece of writing

: It's mind-boggling to me - just skim it and you get the idea...
DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
Food and Nutrition Service
Food Distribution Program: Value of
Donated Foods From July 1, 2005
Through June 30, 2006
National Average Minimum Value of Donated Foods for the Period July 1, 2005 Through June 30, 2006
This notice implements mandatory provisions of sections 6(c), 14(f) and 17(h)(1)(B) of the National School Lunch Act (the Act) (42 U.S.C. 1755(c), 1762a(f), and 1766(h)(1)(B)). Section 6(c)(1)(A) of the Act establishes the national average value of donated food assistance to be given to States for each lunch served in NSLP at 11.00 cents per meal. Pursuant to section 6(c)(1)(B), this amount is subject to annual adjustments on July 1 of each year to reflect changes in a three-month average value of the Price Index for Foods Used in Schools and Institutions for March, April, and May each year (Price Index). Section 17(h)(1)(B) of the Act provides that the same value of donated foods (or cash in lieu of donated foods) for school unches shall also be established for lunches and suppers served in CACFP. Notice is hereby given that the national average minimum value of donated foods, or cash in lieu thereof, per lunch under NSLP (7 CFR part 210) and per lunch and supper under CACFP (7 CFR part 226) shall be 17.50 cents for the period July 1, 2005 through June 30, 2006.
The Price Index is computed using five major food components in the Bureau of Labor Statistics Producer Price Index (cereal and bakery products; meats, poultry and fish; dairy products; processed fruits and vegetables; and fats and oils). Each component is weighted using the relative weight as determined by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The value of food assistance is adjusted each July 1 by the annual percentage change in a three-month average value of the Price Index for March, April and May each year. The three-month average of the Price Index increased by 1.3 percent from 152.98 for March, April and May of 2004 to 155.03 for the same three months in 2005. When computed on the basis of nrounded data and rounded to the nearest one-quarter cent, the resulting national average for the period July 1, 2005 through June 30, 2006 will be 17.50 cents per meal. This is an increase of 0.25 cents from the school year 2005 (July 1, 2004 through June 30, 2005) rate.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:02 am
by Grace O'Malley
11 AM Monday: Right now on Diane Rehm the topic is childhood obesity and school lunch programs, particularly the call to remove pop/soda from the cafeterias.
Sure to be interesting!