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Moving the Social Security Office and Congressman Kucinich

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:56 pm
by Bill Call
I have two thoughts on the relocation of Lakewood's Social Security office.

First, the move has nothing to do with better serving the people who depend on the office. Virtually all the people who use the office live closer to Lakewood than Westlake.

This move was determined by where the people who run the office want to live and work.

Years ago there was a study done about the movement of corporate offices. It was found that the single most important dertermining factor in the relocation was not the cost of doing business, convenience or competitivness but... Where does the CEO live or want to live? The time and money spent on "studying" the relocation was used to provide cover for the decision that was already made.

Second, this community has suffered greatly under the leadership of Dennis Kucinich, first as mayor and now as Congressmen.

Since becoming a congressmen, Kucinich has spent more time rubbing noses with the Hollywood gliterati than in representing his district. He has tied his future to an alliance with the most extreme elements of the Democratic party while ignoring his responsibilities as Congressmen.

He has been completey ineffective in saving the Social Security Office in Lakewood or the Department of Defense jobs in Cleveland. His inability to work with members of his own party has cost his district financially.

He has shown great interest in getting face time on TV but no interest in actually serving the needs of his district.

If you are a Kucinich fan, don't get all upset. He will continue to be reelected no matter what his record. To paraphrase a line used about an ex Louisiana governor, "Dennis will get reelected unless he is found in bed with a live boy or a dead girl". Now that I think about it, I don't think even that would defeat him.

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:51 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Bill

Losing the Social Security Office will be a blow to Lakewood. But I am not sure we can blame Dennis. The last time I spoke with him he was deep in detail on how he was trying to keep it here. But as we know, hanging with Dennis is a look at the hard but right way to go. To do any different is to give into the one party system of government that has sold this country up the river.

You mention Dennis as mayor. Again I have a completely different view of him. As the mayor of Cleveland I saw Dennis Kucinich go where very few politicians have ever gone. At a very young age he put it all on the line to save Cleveland Power. He did, it cost him his job and nearly cost him his political future. Something he was well aware at the time. I can find no fault with him as mayor.

Now as we look at him as our Congressman it becomes equally hard for me. Although he has not been able to get one bill through the system, he has never stopped fighting for us the people. One of his latest projects to be turned down again and again is his "Food Information Act." This is a direct shot at the Dutch and Industrial Agra Growers that have sprung up like weeds. When DK first introduced the bill, less then 10,000 acres were being planted with genetically engineered crops, and those were cotton not food. This year it will surpass 5,000,000 acres, mostly food. This administration and Republican lite Bill Clinton have let the growers and huge corporations run wild. Which is why I use the term weeds. They have completely removed any and all government testing and regulations of genetically grown foods. Instead giving the testing to the company that developed the strain for the product and even that is voluntary! Now maybe you see no problem with scientists taking the toxic venom from a sea snake and engineering it into corn to keep corn worms away, but I would love to see some testing before in goes down my throat.

In the run up to Iraq DK was one of only three Congress People that had the balls to say the whole thing was a nightmare. Everyone else said, well let's give GWB the right, because he will never abuse it! anyone with a lick of sense would have realized that GWB is not making the decisions, that he always uses what he is given, he always screws it up, it always benefits a company someone in his staff is connected to, and he always lies about it.

So while I am upset over the Social Security Office moving, I find it hard to blame the only person who speaks the truth in Washington.


Disclaimer - I have a good relationship with DK and the family. DK is a hero of mine.



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Re: Moving the Social Security Office and Congressman Kucini

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:59 am
by Joseph Milan
Bill,

This is not the place to have a serious discussion regarding Mr. Kucinich. To many people are in love with the man and ignore the area falling apart under his "leadership".

Joe

Re: Moving the Social Security Office and Congressman Kucini

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:56 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Joseph Milan wrote:Bill,

This is not the place to have a serious discussion regarding Mr. Kucinich. To many people are in love with the man and ignore the area falling apart under his "leadership".

Joe


Joe

You break me up. doesn't your discussion hold up to scrutiney. Must you always take the Republican way and talk only with people that agree? This area has suffered far worse from Republicans in the state house than anything DK has done. Point out to me where DK HURT this area?

I will agree that he has not got one thing through Congress. But show me where he has hurt this area or Cleveland as mayor.

Now do you want to talk about Taft? Do you want to talk about how GWB has gutted money to the state to secure two petrol chemical areas?

Here is the problem Joe. All you have is blind hatred for DK. You have no facts, no info, nothing.

Another thing, The Observer is running an announcement from Ferris who is running against him.

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Re: Moving the Social Security Office and Congressman Kucini

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:04 pm
by Joseph Milan
Joe

You break me up. doesn't your discussion hold up to scrutiney. Must you always take the Republican way and talk only with people that agree? This area has suffered far worse from Republicans in the state house than anything DK has done. Point out to me where DK HURT this area?


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Kind of like you and your little paper, Jim.
For those that don't know I've pointed out the shortcomings of DKand submitted it to the Observer.. Mr. O'Bryan refuses to print the truth. BTW - in my article I did point out how he hurts the area. Go back and read it, Jim.

Joe

Re: Moving the Social Security Office and Congressman Kucini

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:19 pm
by Jim O'Bryan
Joe


You're killing me.

Post it here, now, let's see the truth.




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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:56 pm
by Joseph Milan
You've seen the truth. If you wanted others to see it you'd have published it instead of "all the news that fits". It would have been in your paper months ago. Don't go blaming me for your subjective reporting.

Joe

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:34 pm
by Jim O'Bryan
Joseph Milan wrote:You've seen the truth. If you wanted others to see it you'd have published it instead of "all the news that fits". It would have been in your paper months ago. Don't go blaming me for your subjective reporting.

Joe


It is not my paper, I do not edit.

But for some reason you do not want this posted under your name, but here.


Politicians
By Joseph A. Milan

“Politicians fascinate me because they constitute a paradox: they are an elite that accomplishes mediocrity for the public goodâ€Â￾ - George Will

(Sigh) Here we go again. Another Northeast Ohio business closes down, so there is another Kucinich town hall meeting. I'm sure the congressman has the best interest of these workers in mind, but anyone with a computer can easily see a ten-year chart of either Ford (F) or General Motors (GM) to learn that they have been in trouble for at least the past ten years. Take the late 1990s and early 2000s out of the equation and the picture looks even worse. The best time for these companies over the past 10 years was the tech bubble time of “irrational exuberanceâ€Â￾ when most stocks were over-inflated. Does anyone else sense a pattern here?

The steel industry had been hurting for some time. It was not until the
mills were ready to shut down that our congressman swooped in like superman to try and save the day. And, before anyone starts to blame NAFTA or free trade for this trend, it wasn't until a few hospitals in town wanted to close that he tried to salvage them. There is an ironic yet important lesson to be learned from the hospital closures. To this day, both the congressman and his supporters talk about government-run health care.

The main reason these hospitals shut down is that the majority of their
patients were on some sort of government-sponsored health care program to begin with, and the benefits that the government pays are just not enough for hospitals to make a profit. Call any doctor you've never seen before to make an appointment and one of the first questions you will be asked is whether or not you are on Medicare or Medicaid. Some doctors tell a patient right up front, be it in their yellow page advertisement, on the doctor's answering machine, or in the waiting room, whether or not they accept certain government-run plans. And yet, not only did our congressman want to save the hospitals, but (and this is important) he still wants all of us to have government-run health care. He proudly talks about it whenever he can and people in his
district vote for him because of it.

It should also be pointed out, on a side note, that when congress was finally ready to pass a Medicare drug plan, the bill had to be rewritten so that retired union workers who campaigned for and financed the congressman for years specifically because of this issue were not included in the bill. They realized their benefits were better than what the government could offer. Yet, the congressman still proudly talks about his stance on universal health care. People still vote for him because of his views on it, many of whom are single issue voters.

Furthermore, these hospitals closed down in 2001, before the World Trade
Center attack took the wind out of the stock market. Their demise (as well as the steel industry's demise) started long before President Bush came into office, so don't even start blaming him for these industries’ problems. Anyone looking at a national view of the economy can see that while Northeast Ohio (specifically Cuyahoga County) continues to lose jobs, industries, and population, many other parts of the county are growing in all these categories. Yet, Mr. Kucinich is still re-elected term after term.

It should also be pointed out that the congressman not only made statements when there was a hint of a foreign auto maker's plant coming here, but went as far as to protest it being built far outside of his district. Surely the local auto workers, given their possible near future, would be more than happy to have that plant now.

In all these cases--the steel industry, the hospital industry, and the auto
industry--the congressman rushed in to try to save the day at the last
minute. The trend doesn't stop there. The same thing happened with NASA. For those of you who still want "government-run this" or "government-run that," it should be pointed out that NASA has always been government-run.

As Mr. Kucinich stands up at the last minute to try and save this company or that company whose foot is already in the grave, the people of Northeast Ohio give him the nod at re-election time over and over again. This is too bad, because the last thing the 10th district needs is a man running around putting out fires. True leaders would either stop these industries from failing in the first place or attract new businesses to the area, regardless of how these or other industries are doing. Great leaders would do both.

Napolean once said, "A leader is a dealer of hope." Instead, we have a
dealer in causes whose hope is in some cases long gone. Now, don't get me wrong, the man deserves some credit for trying to help out these industries, but my point is it shouldn't have come at the last minute. Prior to the demise of the steel industry (and quite possibly the auto industry) in Northeast Ohio, Mr. Kucinich was touting, voting for, and proudly telling us his views on environmental issues. While these issues surely weren't the sole reason that the steel and auto industry have gone through hard times, they most certainly participated in their demise.

Almost everyone believes that these auto plants have gone to Mexico due to cheap labor and that steel is now made in Indochina due to the same reason. While this is partially true, it should be pointed out that these countries do not have the same environmental constraints that Mr. Kucinich has helped place on our county. And, once again, I don't hear of problems facing the foreign car makers who have opened up shop in Ohio or nearby states.

There are two other points that should be made. Point one: Correct me if
I'm wrong, but the congressman did nothing to stop Westgate mall from becoming a huge mountain of rubble. One can throw out the urban myth that he is the champion of the little guy. Many westsiders got their first part-time jobs after school in the mall. Where was his crisis intervention session for them? Does he not tell us election after election that he's the candidate that is going to help the underdog?

The big rumor regarding this mall is that its new anchor store will be one or more “big boxâ€Â￾ stores that most of his biggest supporters have rallied against for years. The “circle of lifeâ€Â￾ of the mall goes from busy suburban market place to mall used for people to walk back and forth in as exercise, to one or possibly two big box stores. Most of this change took place in the later stages of the mall’s existence, with Mr. Kucinich as our “leader.â€Â￾ Since the congressman and many of his biggest supporters are against the emergence of these “big boxâ€Â￾ chains, another circle of life will soon emerge. Union laborers will build the new stores, and then union laborers will protest outside them. They will all try to tell us that big box stores hurt our economy. Instead of telling us they should have been pounding down the congressman’s door long before the mall was leveled.

Point two: There is one company that the congressman did little if nothing
to save. The company wasn't some low-wage paying outfit. It had good jobs with decent salaries and great benefits. However, it seems that Kucinich has his priorities, and some things are more important to him than jobs. Go ahead, do a Google search and enter the name Kucinich and the letters TRW and you'll find nothing but articles about how he was opposed to this company even though it helped out the economy of Northeast Ohio. It seems that some things are more important to him than the Northeast Ohio worker.

Anyone who agrees with any of the points made above should print this out and take it with them the next time the congressman is up for re-election. If the web master and editor of this publication is truly concerned about the future of Northeast Ohio and the future of the city of Lakewood and its residents, this article will be reprinted shortly before the congressman's next election. We have for too long had a fireman
running around trying to put out fires and salvage what he could. A true
leader would not only have tried to prevent those fires long before they
happened, but also brought in businesses that aren't as prone to burn down to begin with.


Again, if it was not such a rant and relied on facts...


So in your words, his faults, "There was one company he didn't try to stop..." Ok one. and Westgate getting rebuilt. Terrible guy, little satan.

Could I offeset with him keeping car companies in Northern Ohio, Voting agains the War that has banrupted the country, and having his office in Lakewood, generally knowing a lot more about Lakewood than I ever would of thought. He also employees Lakewoodites in his office. OH YEAH and the food information act no republican will sing on to!


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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:34 pm
by Joseph Milan
I still contend that had this been an article about any other politician it would be in your paper and on the front page of your web site, not delegated to the back of the observation deck. While you say you do not edit, placement comes with the editing job.
Furthermore, you make your own editorial remarks after posting my peice. (But you do not edit)
If I wanted this placed back here where few could read it, I could have done that months ago. Thanks for nothing.

Joe

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:20 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Joe

Have you even been to the front page? Do a search for Dennis. You will see that your "opinions" are traveling the google air waves and have been for some time. This issue of the printed version of the paper has Barbara Ann Ferris on the front page. She will be running against Dennis.

I am up front I like Dennis. but I have NEVER censored anyone else's view of DK or any other politician or anything for that matter. The way you post it makes it seem like the Board, the Paper are all huge Kucinich fans. To be honest I do not know, never asked isn't my business. So now you know it is up, and on the international airwaves. Should we talk about how under Dennis, Westgate is getting rebuilt bigger and better than ever. How Dennis in one of a handful of politicians that opening point out Republican lead Congress is helping our manufacturing base move to China. Or about the hours and letters Dennis worked to keep Social Security here.

Finally, wouldn't you rather know where I stand politically?



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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:23 pm
by Joseph Milan
Jim O'Bryan wrote:Joe

Have you even been to the front page? Do a search for Dennis. You will see that your "opinions" are traveling the google air waves and have been for some time. This issue of the printed version of the paper has Barbara Ann Ferris on the front page. She will be running against Dennis.


I did not see where you placed the article under letters even though I occasionally check there. Even though I still believe if this had been an artlicle against someone like Taft, for instance, it wouldn't be where it is, it would be listed as a headline. If it truly has been there, why didn't you say anything when I originally inquired? It would have saved a lot of needless complaining. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you told me in an e-mail that you did not post my "anti-kucinich rant" as you call it.

I'm glad you're happy about westgate's rebuilding, but I wouldn't be surprised if many people complain about exactly what is going in there.

Jobs have been leaving for China long before Bush took office, and it was Clinton who signed NAFTA into law. Are you accusing the current administration of doing anything different than the previous administration did?

As far as saving the social security office, this is right along the theme of my article to begin with. He put out a fire at the last minute. This is his MO. He waits for something to get into crisis mode before doing anything about it.

Joe

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:12 pm
by Jim O'Bryan
Joseph Milan wrote:As far as saving the social security office, this is right along the theme of my article to begin with. He put out a fire at the last minute. This is his MO. He waits for something to get into crisis mode before doing anything about it.

Joe



Are you sure? Do you have proof? I am not so sure a Taft article would get any bigger play unless it had a Lakewood angle. Think about it. The only time Dennis has been in the paper is when it was a Lakewood event. 4th of July Parade, Union meeting, Kiwanis Speech.

Joe there is no conspiracy or plan to keep you quiet or only have democrats or liberals heard. I have been begging since day one for conservatives and republicans to write. But they never show up.

Again, can we put this to bed?


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"Help"

Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:53 am
by Dennis J Kampe
In reviewing the new topic - "Moving SS office and Kucinich" started 3/02 pm , I see just an extension of the earlier Oct 2005 "Our Congressman Kucinich" posts including the SS office move this was mentioned in my Oct 28 and Dec 6 msgs .

As with those msgs - in the new posts we have the "RAH RAH Dennis" and the opposing "Useless Freeloafer" individuals . I find myself in the latter group regards Mr DANK - "Dennis Achieves Nothing Kucinich"

Although each of us have our opinions about his mayorial stint as well as his past 9+ years as "OUR Congresional representative" , for me the bottom lines are what has he done for US ( not USA but us the local residents ) in these positions - in the past or now .

Overall the on-going job losses , hospital and steel closings / reductions and lack of Average Ga$ Tax Dollar$ flowing back from DC to Lakewood/Parma and District 10 are most obvious . As mayor - contrast his performance , recall vote and rejection of even a second term nomination by his own party with that of his successor - G Voinovich .

Claim what you want but in my opinion he was a joke then and nothing has changed in his approach to politics since : - Get "involved" after the fact - call a news conference or equivalent - get face time on local TV or papers , call another (town) meeting to blast someone/something else for this specific problem etc and then move on to the next disaster - Been doing it for 30+ years - so why stop now aside from the lack of results achieved for the District 10 or NE Ohio voters . ie Feed your ego at the expense of Lakewood and Parma residents .

If Republicans would run anyone with some experience , credentials and knowledge of NE Ohio - perhaps our "rep" would need to defend his 9+ year "record" instead of hidding .

By setting , changing and refining re-election rules ( ie apparently ONLY NE OHIO INCUMBENTS or PARTY NOMINEES ) can speak at local party functions ) 97+% of incumbents are re-elected .

For Us , At Least we can VOTE BA FERRIS come the May 2 primary and maybe send our "rep and his party leaders" a message

Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:14 pm
by Joseph Milan
Jim O'Bryan wrote:
Joseph Milan wrote:As far as saving the social security office, this is right along the theme of my article to begin with. He put out a fire at the last minute. This is his MO. He waits for something to get into crisis mode before doing anything about it.

Joe



Are you sure? Do you have proof?


Besides the ones I've already pointed out in my piece? He called the area code change a crisis and wanted it stopped. This would have severely hurt any company with faxes or anyone with a cell phone.
The trains were running thru Lakewood on a regular basis until he decided it was a crisis.
His original platform which got him into office was "saving social security," What has he done since he's been in office to do this? He made it was a crisis then and nothing has changed.
My biggest gripe is that these "crisis altert" pop up right around election time so he can get free media time, which he doesn't even need, as there is ususally little opposition against him.

Joe

Dennis

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:32 am
by Bill Call
Joseph Milan wrote:My biggest gripe is that these "crisis altert" pop up right around election time so he can get free media time, which he doesn't even need, as there is ususally little opposition against him.

Joe


Your crisis alert analogy is on the mark. Dennis is not interested in serving his district. On the rare occassions he "visits" his district he stays just long enough to conduct some dog and pony show "crisis alert" that accomplishes nothing but provide him with face time on TV.

He is not a bad person. He is not corrupt. He is simply not interested in representing the people of his district. However, the people of his district will continue to send him back to Hollywood, not because he reprents their interests but because.... I don't know I can't figure it out.