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What would my out of pocket costs be if the hospital stays?

What would my out of pocket costs be if the hospital goes?

Corey

Corey,

I think that's an interesting question. I'm not sure, however, that a solid figure could be calculated, because there are so many unknowns. We don't even know what kind of development we're talking about if the hospital goes. There's a big difference between residential or commercial and say, a Recreation center (that would definitely require a tax increase.) There was even talk of "green space" or soccer fields which do not generate monies.

We do know, however, that the hospital has NEVER cost the taxpayer ONE DIME. If we found a partner, it could continue on.

I'm not sure the BL side has presented exactly WHAT would replace the hospital that wouldn't cost us money, like the hospital. Or that would generate the same taxes and benefits that the hospital does.

So, good question, but I don't really see an answer from BL or the mayor.

A related question is whether a hospital will be in network for the most insurance plans. At this time the Clinic is out of network for me and Metro is in. I think that weighs on people's decisions on what to support. The economic benefits of any hospital for the City of course benefit everybody regardless of whether they use the facility, so I support any arrangement that keeps the hospital here.

Dan Alaimo wrote:A related question is whether a hospital will be in network for the most insurance plans. At this time the Clinic is out of network for me and Metro is in. I think that weighs on people's decisions on what to support. The economic benefits of any hospital for the City of course benefit everybody regardless of whether they use the facility, so I support any arrangement that keeps the hospital here.

Another benefit is the city's health insurance is through the Clinic now.

Corey, Not sure if it stays, right now they are losing about 1 kidney stone procedure a week.

I do remember that Mayor Summers mentioning a tax for a rec center. There will not be enough to build one. Thats was about $211 per house a year, and a monthly membership fee of $65. is what I remember.

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Corey

If you are in the Mayor's inner circle and the hospital goes its a net benefit for you depending on how much business you lose.
If you're not and the hospital goes you will lose business and pay more taxes. Note from the LHA flier mailed to your house they are only promising "hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes". You won't be able to sell enough Ripple or Boonesfarm to make up the difference.

The hospital pays $2 million in taxes and rent and $7 million in charity

If the hospital stays open, you pay nothing and you can continue to sell Pine Ridge Hess Camay Dom Moet Chandon and other fine wines at above state minimum.

Although you'll have to win back some of those nasty SLHers who might not be as forgiving as me. I'll be the guy with the fake mustache beard glasses so I don't scare away your BL customers.

BTW did you get any of the Lakewood Alive money to do that cool buildout?

Brian Essi wrote:Corey

If you are in the Mayor's inner circle and the hospital goes its a net benefit for you depending on how much business you lose.
If you're not and the hospital goes you will lose business and pay more taxes. Note from the LHA flier mailed to your house they are only promising "hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes". You won't be able to sell enough Ripple or Boonesfarm to make up the difference.

The hospital pays $2 million in taxes and rent and $7 million in charity

If the hospital stays open, you pay nothing and you can continue to sell Pine Ridge Hess Camay Dom Moet Chandon and other fine wines at above state minimum.

Although you'll have to win back some of those nasty SLHers who might not be as forgiving as me. I'll be the guy with the fake mustache beard glasses so I don't scare away your BL customers.

BTW did you get any of the Lakewood Alive money to do that cool buildout?

For all the research you do...I work in Independence, not Lakewood.

Don't get lazy on us now!

Corey

Jim O'Bryan wrote:

Dan Alaimo wrote:A related question is whether a hospital will be in network for the most insurance plans. At this time the Clinic is out of network for me and Metro is in. I think that weighs on people's decisions on what to support. The economic benefits of any hospital for the City of course benefit everybody regardless of whether they use the facility, so I support any arrangement that keeps the hospital here.

Another benefit is the city's health insurance is through the Clinic now.

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I had wondered about that considering their strong bias toward the Clinic's proposal.

Dan Alaimo wrote:

Jim O'Bryan wrote:

Dan Alaimo wrote:A related question is whether a hospital will be in network for the most insurance plans. At this time the Clinic is out of network for me and Metro is in. I think that weighs on people's decisions on what to support. The economic benefits of any hospital for the City of course benefit everybody regardless of whether they use the facility, so I support any arrangement that keeps the hospital here.

Another benefit is the city's health insurance is through the Clinic now.

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I had wondered about that considering their strong bias toward the Clinic's proposal.

Dan

It is common for hospitals to insure city worker's in their city, and in turn the city gets a better deal. I am sure any hospital coming in, would do the same, and if you notice it is part of the "Master Agreement." There is value associated with it, so I do not want you mislead.

However the question is, is it worth it in this deal? I stand by our original numbers, compiled by two lawyers working with two health care admin professionals. These are the numbers the mayor said are wrong, and has never corrected.

The extremes of this deal, as my group (not SLH or Build Lakewood) read it, are trading $383 million in public assets for and immediate loss of $20 million, and another loss of $15 million to the city coffers over the next 10 years. Where these numbers come from, lawyers have found a total of $383 million in assets, using a wide description of assets in business law. Against the possible cost the City could be on the line for in removing all the buildings. plus taxes from workers. THESE ARE THE EXTREME NUMBERS TOGETHER SCARY

I have friends all over this thing, like I said back in January, a lot of good people get hurt on this. A damn good person, near the center of this nightmare called me in February to meet and get facts straight. My first question to test his honesty in this was, "Is there any money coming back to Lakewood that did not originate in Lakewood?" His answer was, "No."

When I run into people that are confused, I ask one simple question, it is the easiest way to think of this entire nightmare/civil war.

Chris Christie was under federal investigation for moving 42 orange cones on the George Washington Bridge. What if he had sold the bridge, a public asset, and funneled the money to a friend's yet unnamed non-profit in a 3-5 year secret deal?

Dan, you are a sharp guy, the city has never spent a penny on "Spin or crisis management" we are exceeding $1 million public dollars spent to manage us. I that the hallmark of a good deal?

The punchline is, whatever we lose, whatever the CITY does not get back, affects our taxes, and Corey's question of "out of pocket."

Sorry got a little winded here.

Corey Rossen wrote:

Brian Essi wrote:Corey

If you are in the Mayor's inner circle and the hospital goes its a net benefit for you depending on how much business you lose.
If you're not and the hospital goes you will lose business and pay more taxes. Note from the LHA flier mailed to your house they are only promising "hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes". You won't be able to sell enough Ripple or Boonesfarm to make up the difference.

The hospital pays $2 million in taxes and rent and $7 million in charity

If the hospital stays open, you pay nothing and you can continue to sell Pine Ridge Hess Camay Dom Moet Chandon and other fine wines at above state minimum.

Although you'll have to win back some of those nasty SLHers who might not be as forgiving as me. I'll be the guy with the fake mustache beard glasses so I don't scare away your BL customers.

BTW did you get any of the Lakewood Alive money to do that cool buildout?

For all the research you do...I work in Independence, not Lakewood.

Don't get lazy on us now!

Corey

Brian,

I will accept your silence as a form of apology. Apparently your focus on being witty took precedence over your research efforts.

Corey

Corey,

Wow! You might be the only person in Lakewood complaining about my silence.
I had never focused any investigation on you. I had assumed based upon various threads that you are associated with the local wine store as you seemed to defend the store. I'm sorry if that assumption is incorrect.