The Observation Deck

...Just ask good, probing questions that require proof, named sources and/or accountability in the response(s).

Or act like a jerk, or, ask questions no one can answer, or ask bullshit questions, or...

Corey

Funny how often people that ask this are professional thread killers.

EVERYONE has an agenda, and a different agenda. ME I was hoping to put a little effort
into the topic of losing the hospital. It is one of the most serious things to hit Lakewood since
we started this project, and there is an awful lot wrong with the deal, that can easily be seen.

However, such is not the flavor of the month here.

Speaking for myself. I prefer facts over the more nebulous guessing or making crazy
statements. Others here do suffer from a mild form of tourette, just shouting anything and
everything at a moments notice, no matter what the facts are.

Then some have other agendas, family feuds, clients relationships, can't talk publicly, etc.

Then sometimes, people are told things off the record, and that comes out, and all the
whining in the world will not get a person to drop a dime on a good source. So then it
is up to you to find it truthful or not.

Generally people get out of it what they put into it.

I hope this answers your question.

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I agree with Corey on this one, Jim.

Jim O'Bryan wrote:Then some have other agendas, family feuds, clients relationships, can't talk publicly, etc.

But, ironically, those aren't the folks who are actually discussing issues facing Lakewood here, on the Deck, in their own words - i.e., you, me, Bill Call, Corey Rossen, Ryan Salo, and the like.

The folks you are speaking of are "City Hall and Friends."

And do you know where they are?

They are not here because:

Jim O'Bryan wrote:Then some have other agendas, family feuds, clients relationships, can't talk publicly, etc.

And, yet, it appears that you are constantly criticizing those of us who are here ... for being here.

FWIW

Matthew John Markling wrote:I agree with Corey on this one, Jim.

Jim O'Bryan wrote:Then some have other agendas, family feuds, clients relationships, can't talk publicly, etc.

But, ironically, those aren't the folks who are actually discussing issues facing Lakewood here, on the Deck, in their own words - i.e., you, me, Bill Call, Corey Rossen, Ryan Salo, and the like.

The folks you are speaking of are "City Hall and Friends."

And do you know where they are?

They are not here because:

Jim O'Bryan wrote:Then some have other agendas, family feuds, clients relationships, can't talk publicly, etc.

And, yet, it appears that you are constantly criticizing those of us who are here ... for being here.

FWIW

No, that is not correct.

I am answering Corey on killing threads.

From MY point of view, this deal would be easier to understand working through the
thought process, the deal and what is going on. I could be wrong. It might be better
to just keep posting, "Avon took our hospital." Of course that would mean we discount
St. John's impact, Fairview's impact which were huge, and probably larger than Avon
or Lakewood Hospital closing.

My frustration is, you answer it one place and it pops up 5 other times. Making
observations, not finding fault. I mean look at the facts it has brought to the surface
already! Not saying stop, not deleting, not combining, just making observations.

But then I guess I am some kind of hugger or another.

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Jim O'Bryan wrote:From MY point of view, this deal would be easier to understand working through the thought process, the deal and what is going on. I could be wrong. It might be better to just keep posting, "Avon took our hospital." Of course that would mean we discount St. John's impact, Fairview's impact which were huge, and probably larger than Avon or Lakewood Hospital closing.

My frustration is, you answer it one place and it pops up 5 other times. Making observations, not finding fault. I mean look at the facts it has brought to the surface already! Not saying stop, not deleting, not combining, just making observations.

That takes us back to http://www.lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13227:

Matthew John Markling wrote:

Jim O'Bryan wrote:The problem as I see it is a ton of bad information out there. Bad information is easy to discredit with slighter worse news or good news. So the constant flood of "losing hospital to avon" somewhat deadens the facts on the deal, which are sitting out there.




Well, when the folks who have the information aren't sharing the information, what do you expect?

Let's see all the documents and all the facts.

Why just let them sit out there?

Let's see them.

I don't see "City Hall and Friends" sharing all the documents and facts with us ... I'm not sure they are even sharing all the documents and facts with members of City Council.

What have "City Hall and Friends" shared with David Anderson?

What have "City Hall and Friends" shared with Sam O'Leary?

What have "City Hall and Friends" shared with Cindy Marx?




Jim O'Bryan wrote:This deal could easily be stopped, and I know at least one group going for the referendum, but by the time they get it together, if ever the city will have pushed through.




Then, how?




Jim O'Bryan wrote:Diffusion, will not stop it though, neither will shotguns.




Then, how?

Jim O'Bryan wrote:But then I guess I am some kind of hugger or another.

Only if you are going to argue that we need a city manager again.

Which, by the way, takes us back to http://www.lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13223:

Matthew John Markling wrote:Does anyone know which Charter Review Commission Member(s) raised the issue of the Lakewood Hospital during the Charter Review Commission Meetings?

Jim O'Bryan and I were so busy debating whether Professor Plum and Colonel Mustard were trying to sneak a "city manager" into the Billiard Room that we simply didn't witness the Dagger being inserted into the Lakewood Hospital.

The minutes and agendas of the Charter Review Commission Meetings can be found at http://www.onelakewood.com/Boards_Commissions/CharterCommission.aspx.

While I did a cursory review of the minutes and agendas, I still can't figure out who stabbed the Dagger into the Lakewood Hospital during the Charter Review.

Does anyone know who did it?

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Maybe, sometimes, threads end, people avoid posting and viewers take their attention elsewhere because of name calling, brow-beating, intimidation, aggression, opinion thumping, thread drifts, and cyber bullying. Maybe, sometimes. Then again, maybe not.

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