The Observation Deck

A few weeks ago I noticed a couple of Lakewood police cars around Brothers Lounge. Given that Cleveland Police do not patrol that area would it be in Lakewood's interest to patrol the Edgewater neighborhood?

The Downtown Entitlement is heavily patrolled and I'm sure it's putting a strain on Cleveland's resources.

If the regionalists got their way and Lakewood was forced to merge with Cleveland would Lakewood be patrolled like Downtown or would Lakewood be patrolled like Edgewater?

Which way is the frontier moving?

Bill Call wrote:A few weeks ago I noticed a couple of Lakewood police cars around Brothers Lounge. Given that Cleveland Police do not patrol that area would it be in Lakewood's interest to patrol the Edgewater neighborhood?

The Downtown Entitlement is heavily patrolled and I'm sure it's putting a strain on Cleveland's resources.

If the regionalists got their way and Lakewood was forced to merge with Cleveland would Lakewood be patrolled like Downtown or would Lakewood be patrolled like Edgewater?

Which way is the frontier moving?

Bill

How do you figure Cleveland does not patrol the area?

I see cars there patrolling all the time.

Just curious.

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Jim O'Bryan wrote:Bill

How do you figure Cleveland does not patrol the area?

I see cars there patrolling all the time.

Just curious.

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I'm in that area several times a week and I've never seen a Cleveland Police car. I own a house in that area and my tenant recently told me she never sees the police. I'm usually there during the day. You and I keep different hours.

We were downtown last weekend and there were police everywhere you looked.

Anyway, is it time for Lakewood to lend Cleveland a hand?

Bill Call wrote:

Jim O'Bryan wrote:Bill

How do you figure Cleveland does not patrol the area?

I see cars there patrolling all the time.

Just curious.

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I'm in that area several times a week and I've never seen a Cleveland Police car. I own a house in that area and my tenant recently told me she never sees the police. I'm usually there during the day. You and I keep different hours.

We were downtown last weekend and there were police everywhere you looked.

Anyway, is it time for Lakewood to lend Cleveland a hand?

Bill

Not sure where you house is, but there is almost always a police car within a block of W117 and Clifton. And another between West 110 and West 117 South of Detroit.

I will admit there response time is slower than Lakewood, but when it is code 1 or 2 they
get there pretty fast. Code 3 which is non-life threatening gets slower response, and
Code 4, welfare checks, etc take hours sometimes.

I only asked, because I see lots of Cleveland Police everywhere, except deep hood like
E152 and Superior, Ansel Road etc.

FWIW

But no we should not patrol, but I am sure with the W114th and Lake Rapist, there has to be some way to help out.

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When I work night shift I am going home down W117th between 4:30 and 5:00 AM. I would say at least 6 out of 10 times I will see a Cleveland Police cruiser somewhere on 117th between I-90 and Clifton. They are out there.

On any given day you can see Lakewood cars in Cleveland, Cleveland cars in Lakewood, Lakewood cars in Rocky River, Rocky River cars in Lakewood, and so on. Police work takes officers over municipal boundaries for a variety of reasons and tasks. There are mutual aid agreements and if one department needs something from another, they call or offer. But for one to just patrol another is an inefficient use of resources.

Bill Burnett wrote:When I work night shift I am going home down W117th between 4:30 and 5:00 AM. I would say at least 6 out of 10 times I will see a Cleveland Police cruiser somewhere on 117th between I-90 and Clifton. They are out there.

I'm generally in the area during the day or early evening. It's good to hear that the police are in the area.

Edward Favre wrote: But for one to just patrol another is an inefficient use of resources.

I wonder if the whole concept of the police patrol is obsolete. It only takes a minute for some moron to wreck havoc with a neighborhood. If people start feeling unsafe on their porches and on their streets all of the street improvement projects in the world aren't going to preserve a city.

Is it time to consider real time surveillance of neighborhoods?

Cuyahoga County's development model is destroying whole cities.

Is it time to consider an open challenge to that model?

Lots of luck with that. We are on our own.

Bill Call wrote:I wonder if the whole concept of the police patrol is obsolete. It only takes a minute for some moron to wreck havoc with a neighborhood. If people start feeling unsafe on their porches and on their streets all of the street improvement projects in the world aren't going to preserve a city.

Is it time to consider real time surveillance of neighborhoods?

Cuyahoga County's development model is destroying whole cities.

Is it time to consider an open challenge to that model?

Lots of luck with that. We are on our own.

Bill

Ed can answer if it is obsolete, but, it does seem to do some good. I have had many, many
lunches with Ed, and he points back to foot patrol, and "beat officers" that knew the
neighborhood, the families and the bad people. Some could say a slower gentler era, but
is it the cause or the reason. Growing up in Lakewood we knew the police working our end
of town and they would often stop to ask, "What the hell are you guys up to now..." which
would always mean a 15 minute conversation about life.

The problem is I do not believe the County Government is driving as much as say the as
others like the Cleveland Foundation. And to be honest we know TCF is desperate to prove
their were right for decades, when they were dead wrong, followed by Civic Leaders
desperate to prove they were right giving the running over to groups like TCF.

Like Lakewood on a smaller scale, we will prove DowntowN was a great idea even if we
have to drain every other account to prove it.

So the entire county follows the rest down the rabbit hole, behind slogans like, Cleveland's
A Plum, CLE+, and other phrases the simple pick up on. It is very interesting that a county
that continues to hemorrhage residents and jobs at an alarming rate has been deemed
"cool" and "cooler" by those staying behind.

"Downtown Cleveland is the fastest growing community in the county." another buzz term
that means, wow we have our population back to 1/4 what is was in the 1940s.

So not to "surveillance" yes to more police on the streets, in Lakewood.

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Thumbs up to engaged patrol on the ground...surveillance has its place but not as the core of deterrence and neighborhood engagement.

I think our cops should just stay in Lakewood and watch our for our safety:



LAKEWOOD, Ohio -- Police are asking the public for help identifying a man who is accused of robbing and sexually assaulting a woman last month.

The incident happened about 4:30 a.m. Aug. 31 on Warren Road, police said.

The man had a silver handgun and ran from the area following the incident, police said.

He was wearing a red baseball cap with an unknown block letter on the front, a baseball shirt with dark sleeves, and blue jeans at the time, police said.

Anyone with information is being asked to call the Lakewood Police Department at 216-521-6773.

Amy Martin wrote:I think our cops should just stay in Lakewood and watch our for our safety:



LAKEWOOD, Ohio -- Police are asking the public for help identifying a man who is accused of robbing and sexually assaulting a woman last month.

The incident happened about 4:30 a.m. Aug. 31 on Warren Road, police said.

The man had a silver handgun and ran from the area following the incident, police said.

He was wearing a red baseball cap with an unknown block letter on the front, a baseball shirt with dark sleeves, and blue jeans at the time, police said.

Anyone with information is being asked to call the Lakewood Police Department at 216-521-6773.

There was an assault at Hall Ave. yesterday around 4pm, and a rape on W114 last week,
the police have not yet said they are related.

Be safe, and call in suspicious activity.

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