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Spitzer Lot?

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:45 pm
by Michael Deneen
I notice that the old Spitzer location on Detroit is still sitting empty.
Anyone have any insight on what might happen to those lots?

They seem like a very nice location for something.

Re: Spitzer Lot?

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:06 am
by marklingm
How about a pawn store?

Whatever it is, I'm hoping that City Hall doesn't enter into any more tax abatements or tax increment finance agreements.

Re: Spitzer Lot?

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:25 pm
by Bill Burnett
I thought I saw that there was going to be an assisted living facility going in there.
We certainly need more of those. :roll:

Re: Spitzer Lot?

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:21 pm
by Jim O'Bryan
Bill Burnett wrote:I thought I saw that there was going to be an assisted living facility going in there.
We certainly need more of those. :roll:



Three years ago, before the "best" developments of Drug Mart, and Family Dollar, I had
spoke with Dru Siley about a woman I had done graphic work for, that was interested in
buying one of them for an indoor dog park.

Interesting idea of rehabbing auto dealerships into indoor pet facilities. Large exercise area,
a couple vets, some specialty pet stores, and a bar. I was told to tell her $3 million for
Spitzer. She ended up going to Portland to do it. I suppose not upscale enough for us.

But when you think the city just bought McKinley for $100, it seems inflated.

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Re: Spitzer Lot?

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:24 pm
by Peter Grossetti
Jim O'Bryan wrote:She ended up going to Portland to do it.

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Jim - Portland, Maine or Portland, Oregon ? I'd love to know who we are up against! :wink:

Re: Spitzer Lot?

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:44 am
by Bill Call
The best use of all of that vacant land on Detroit was for apartment buildings but its never going to happen.

The underlying economics are sound but Lakewood is not eligible for the millions in subsidies available to Downtown Cleveland and Detroit Shoreway and the Hundreds of millions of subsidies available to Crocker Park.

Re: Spitzer Lot?

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:07 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Peter Grossetti wrote:
Jim O'Bryan wrote:She ended up going to Portland to do it.

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Jim - Portland, Maine or Portland, Oregon ? I'd love to know who we are up against! :wink:


Portland Oregon

A holistic dog person that does dog massage starting at $100 and hour. When I met her I
thought she was kidding. But through a business card, and talking with her and others I
found out she was the real deal and not kidding. Lakewood would have been centrally located
to her client base, and thought with our massive love of dogs(dog park) that Lakewood would
be affordable and open to an idea that is already in other cities and doing well.

This is where things screw up quickly. With animal people, Dog Park huge brand builder.
BSL law, knocks it down a little. Dogs in parks another plus, losing this venture, possible
another negative. City Hall releasing video after video, and interview after interview of
cracking down on residents a huge minus. Laws against residents is how East Cleveland
manages their residents. Not Westlake, Solon, Beechwood, Brathenal, etc.

Bill Call wrote:The best use of all of that vacant land on Detroit was for apartment buildings but its never going to happen.

The underlying economics are sound but Lakewood is not eligible for the millions in subsidies available to Downtown Cleveland and Detroit Shoreway and the Hundreds of millions of subsidies available to Crocker Park.


Bill

What the city needs is so obvious. But it would take work from City Hall. You would have
to come up with an idea, and then sell it to developers. Instead we let developers bring
their ideas to us, which are nearly always underwhelming, and encroach into our neighborhoods.

I found it wildy amusing a couple years back as OLD LakewoodAlive would try to talk
double owners into rebuilding them as singles. Something that NEVER made sense as
the owner. Then a year later freak out as we might fall below 50,000 residents taking us
out of the running for millions in government funds. Very small, very myopic view!
Actually frightening at the level of underlining no planning at all, just a lackadaisical
amateurish attempt at "city planning." Thank god Ian and crew have ended that.

A current plan is to level McKinley, a solid school, and put up single floor, single person
dwelling so that some, about 8 of our older folks can stay in Lakewood in a place without
stairs. Talk about shortsighted. Talk about trading the cow for some magic beans!

Lakewood was thriving when we had 71,000 people. 20,000 more people make 20,000
more consumers. Now you started to need 238 places to get prepared food. Now you need
way finding(ok not here), now you need more schools ooops sold them off. This city has
got to stop falling into the same trap the rest of this ever growing smaller region has.
Managing our decline. As I pointed out to the Master of Managing Decline Hunter Morrison
who worked with Cleveland Mayor Jane Campbell, "If your only goal is to manage decline,
then even if you succeed beyond your wildest dreams, all you have done is declined."

Lakewood is the "hot city" in the region. We should be using this time and moment in the
sunshine to attract people, not limit our growth. Apartments on Detroit, and McKinley,
and along the lakefront. It is the only proven way Lakewood succeeds.

FASCINATING SIDE NOTE: Bridgate in New Jersey is in part about a 5 block area of Fort Lee
that has sat undeveloped for decades, and CITY HALL looked for the right developer to
develop their plan. Turning away many developers especially those with questionable
backgrounds or no success. Think of it. A city actually holding out for good developemnt
that actually benefits the residents. Hmmmmmmmmm interesting thought.

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Re: Spitzer Lot?

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:58 am
by Michael Deneen
Lakewood does not need new apartments...in fact it would be much better off with fewer rental properties.

The region's population is flat and is spreading out over a greater space.
In order to match the market, it would be best if we could reduce the inventory of units.

However, it is a free market economy, so there is very little that local government can do.

Re: Spitzer Lot?

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:00 am
by marklingm
Michael Deneen wrote:However, it is a free market economy, so there is very little that local government can do.



Mike,

I disagree.

In Lakewood, there is no need for City Hall to give away any tax abatement or tax increment finance agreement.

Can anyone name one project that would not have come to Lakewood but for City Hall giving away tax abatements or tax increment finance agreements?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Don't get me wrong, I believe that tax abatements and tax increment finance agreements can play an important role in triggering some economies - just not here in Lakewood.

Lakewood can stand on its own.

And, when City Hall asks residents to pay for City Hall's upcoming city recreational tax, I hope everyone asks City Hall why "City Hall and Friends" gave away all our tax dollars via tax abatements and tax increment finance agreements.

We can talk about grants another day.

Matt