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Thank you George W Bush...NOT

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:53 am
by Ryan Salo
All liberals should be writing thank you cards to George W Bush today. His "right leaning" appointment, Roberts, sided with the left to keep Obama care alive.

This is great news for Romney though. Now the only way to have it repealed is to win the White House in November. This is going to fire up a lot of voters.

Way to go GW...

Re: Thank you George W Bush...NOT

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:53 am
by Ivor Karabatkovic
How is it great news for Romney, who is the architect of Obamacare? We should really be thanking Mr. Romney himself for writing and publishing the New York Times Op-Ed advocating for his individual mandate idea in Massachusetts.

edit: we can also thank him for his Meet the Press appearance where he suggested President Obama go one of two routes- enact Romneycare (the health care mandate in Massachusetts, with an individual mandate), or look at the Wyden-Bennett reform, which also included an individual mandate.

So which is it?

These interviews will all come back to haunt him in November.

Re: Thank you George W Bush...NOT

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:03 pm
by Ryan Salo
Ivor,

I agree with you to some extent but I am personally glad it passed. Romney has already vowed to get rid of the law if elected.

The masses would have turned out to vote in record numbers if the right leaning courts took away "free healthcare". Now they will just sit on their lazy chairs and enjoy "free" cell phones and "free" food and their "free" healthcare and forgot to show up because they have everything they need. Those paying for their lifestyle will now show up in mass numbers to fight for their freedoms.

People used to be ashamed if they took handouts from the government, now it is a cherished right they are proud of. That is exactly how socialism gets a grip on society.

Bottom line in my opinion is this is a win lose for Obama.

Re: Thank you George W Bush...NOT

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:32 pm
by Ivor Karabatkovic
Ryan Salo wrote:Ivor,

I agree with you to some extent but I am personally glad it passed. Romney has already vowed to get rid of the law if elected.

The masses would have turned out to vote in record numbers if the right leaning courts took away "free healthcare". Now they will just sit on their lazy chairs and enjoy "free" cell phones and "free" food and their "free" healthcare and forgot to show up because they have everything they need. Those paying for their lifestyle will now show up in mass numbers to fight for their freedoms.

People used to be ashamed if they took handouts from the government, now it is a cherished right they are proud of. That is exactly how socialism gets a grip on society.

Bottom line in my opinion is this is a win lose for Obama.



No one said anything about Obamacare being "free". It'll just be mandatory, and available at a lower price to middle class and poverty-line families. I'm with you on the handouts though. As immigrants, my family never took one food stamp booklet or government help on our way to life in America. But it's not something every family can do, and it's certainly something I hope is still available for families that do things the right way, and are not abusing the system, but need some kind of help or stability to get going in the US.

Unfortunately everything is abused. From food stamps, subsidies to corporate tax breaks and loopholes, there is always a way to cheat the system and get your "free" fix. We just turn our cheeks the other way to different things.

Re: Thank you George W Bush...NOT

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:39 pm
by Ivor Karabatkovic
As for Romney "vowing" to get rid of the law, that's not the way checks and balances work, and he won't be able to do a darn thing unless it passes through all branches of government. Knowing the way our Congress and Senate are, it'll never happen.

In other words, IF he's elected, Romney's hands are tied. But it'll be hard for him to run against himself and when all the things he's been touting about his health care plan in his state are what the Republican party despise about Obamacare.

Re: Thank you George W Bush...NOT

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:31 pm
by Dustin James
Ivan, I don't think Romney's hands will be tied because just like the 2010 mid term elections, the democrats that rammed this through 2 years ago, were replaced when angry voters said enough is enough. It was a landslide and republicans took the majority in congress. This coming November, I agree with Ryan that the voters will punish the Senators that have not come up with a budget in over 3 years, that blocked all ideas to make the healthcare law less intrusive and I think the electorate is even more energized starting today. I think Obama himself will be repealed this November.

Marco Rubio, senator from Florida said: “It is a loss for America. Let me begin by reminding everybody what the Supreme Court decides, is they decide whether something is constitutional or not constitutional. They don’t decide whether this is a good idea. And it’s specific, and when they found that it was constitutional, what they said was the reason why it’s constitutional is because it is a tax increase. Millions of Americans may now have an IRS problem as a result of the ruling,” he told CNN’s Candy Crowley.

“This is now turning the IRS into an enforcement mechanism for Obamacare,” he added.
Rubio also said he was not concerned about the political ramifications of the court’s decision for Mitt Romney.

“Let me first mention that when Governor Romney was the governor of a state, that is the state policy. If you don’t like the policies of the state, you can easily go to another state, and the state, by the way, does not have the IRS,” he said.

You are young Ivan. I personally did not even have health care until I was over 30. But I can tell you, the most hated government enforcement in the United States is the IRS and we just lost a huge bunch of freedom today. Because once they get off the leash, every American will be asking why we voluntarily invited tyranny into our lives?

Most people do not want this. Republicans always wanted affordable health care, They knew it need fixing, but not this monstrous over reach of government. The alternatives were never discussed in a bipartisan way. The democrats shut out all discussion because they were the majority. That is a fact. Nancy Pelosi said that "we have to pass it before we read it." It was passed by people who never even read the bill (and reading it is nearly incomprehensible). It creates thousands of new government bureaucracies, which we all know only get bigger, because they feed on making things more complicated, more expensive and self preserving. What government bureaucracy has EVER managed itself to get smaller and more efficient? Ever? Only competition drives costs down.

Now the American public who does not want this, have no choice but to replace the remaining senate with republicans to have a majority. We cannot afford this size of debt and the cost of implementing it will be five times what they lied about. It always is, but then those legislators are long gone. Just sayin'

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Re: Thank you George W Bush...NOT

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:39 pm
by Dustin James
Obamacare_Chart.pdf
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Speaking of bureaucracies, This was an infographic done a few years ago showing just a snap shot. Imagine how much filling all these spots with tens of thousands of government workers will cost (BTW, they have not calculated the cost of what the Obamacare bureaucracies will truly cost).

Re: Thank you George W Bush...NOT

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:30 pm
by Roy Pitchford
There is reason to be optimistic, but there's something that's been rattling around in my head that makes me extremely worried. Let me quote a tweet I read earlier today:

Our government can force you to buy anything, for any reason, and call it a tax. This is unchecked power. It is economic tyranny.
@bucksexton, 10:56 AM - 28 Jun 12 via web
https://twitter.com/BuckSexton/status/218357322039300099

Let's say that Romney wins and DOES successfully repeal all of Obamacare...we still have the Supreme Court precedent (I think...) hanging over our heads.

Re: Thank you George W Bush...NOT

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:19 am
by ryan costa

Re: Thank you George W Bush...NOT

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:36 am
by ryan costa
I will wait to hear what Garrison Keillor has to say about it on the evening radio program.
then I will contemplate the issue further.

Garrison Keillor is one of the smartest guys, and a good role model for the youth.

Re: Thank you George W Bush...NOT

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:27 am
by David Lay
ryan costa wrote:http://failblog.org/2012/06/29/engrish-funny-engrish-funny-scotus-upholds-obamacare-enraged-and-ultra-super-offended-americans-moving-to-canada/

hahahahaha. hah hah hah hah hahh.


Didn't Rush Limbaugh famously say that if Obamacare was upheld, he would move to Costa Rica?

Re: Thank you George W Bush...NOT

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:35 pm
by ryan costa
folks bring the Supreme Court into it when they don't wanna accept it is on Congress.

Congressmen nominally against it want the Supreme Court to strike it down, so that said Congressmen don't have to take flak for throwing the baby out with the bath water.