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The Democrats Doubt BO's reelection

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:07 pm
by Stephen Eisel
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ances.html

President Barack Obama is facing mounting doubts within his own party about his re-election prospects, with fellow Democrats beginning to ask if Hillary Clinton would have made a better president.
duhhh!

Re: The Democrats Doubt BO's reelection

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:36 pm
by Stephen Eisel
http://www.partisans.org/2011/05/hillar ... t-in-2012/

She has foreign policy experience

She served on the Committee on Armed Services while in the Senate and has been Secretary of State for the first four years of the Obama administration. That’s more foreign policy experience than any newly elected president since President George H.W. Bush. If people honestly think Jon Huntsman can run solely on his China credentials, Clinton has to have a shot with her foreign policy experience.

She’s the right woman at (almost) the right time

A large part of America remains starved for a female president since Clinton’s near miss in 2008. People forget the real source of the Palin fascination was massive disappointment among some women that Clinton couldn’t finish off Obama the first time around. What we need is the original candidate who convinced us a woman could be president. Clinging to facsimiles like Bachmann and Palin isn’t good for the country.

She was in the room

We all know the picture, and we all know who stands out in that picture. Still, not only was she there, but she’s stone cold enough to let you know that her hand isn’t covering her face out of emotion, but to stifle a cough. We would know she was running if she claimed she was hiding a yawn. Whatever the case, you can’t imagine Ron Paul or Herman Cain obtaining that kind of credibility between now and 2012.

She has health-care chops

Hillary started the health-care fight back in the early 1990s. It nearly cost her husband his job. More than a fair amount of the backlash from Hillary’s first run at health care seemed to boil down to why she was delving into serious policy issues as first lady rather than proper women’s issue like physical fitness, Just Say No campaigns, and reading programs. Here’s betting she could avoid those pitfalls this time around by reminding us that the health-care debate is about how to improve the law, not whether to repeal it. It’s safe to say not even Mitt Romney will break from the GOP enough to have an adult conversation on health care.

She’s a Clinton

Legacies are a time-honored political tradition from the Adams clan to the Bush clan. Once upon a time this legacy would actually have been a liability, but the country has surely realized that the prosperity and stability of the Bill Clinton years is the exception over the last few decades and not the rule. We’ve grown up a lot since the 1990s and Hillary could reap the benefits of that maturity after having more than paid her dues. If we need to resurrect a candidate from the ‘90s, Clinton easily beats Gingrich.

Will it happen? Will she run?

Not a chance. It’s a ludicrous idea that only makes sense when you consider the alternatives. America simply deserves an election that’s more a re-run of Clinton vs. Obama than whatever semi-original programming the Republicans can muster off Fox. If we have to choose between just two candidates in 2012, it might as well be the two best candidates with the two best set of ideas.

What the country does not need is Obama running to the right because of a bankrupt GOP field when he could have a real discussion about policies and issues with a worthy opponent. It just so happens that the most worthy foe is in his own administration.

Re: The Democrats Doubt BO's reelection

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:12 am
by Bryan Schwegler
Hillary absolutely would have been a better president. I called Obama's complete failure as a leader even before he won the nomination.

But honestly, I still would have taken Obama any day over McCain/Pailn.

Re: The Democrats Doubt BO's reelection

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:20 am
by Stephen Eisel
Bryan Schwegler wrote:Hillary absolutely would have been a better president. I called Obama's complete failure as a leader even before he won the nomination.

But honestly, I still would have taken Obama any day over McCain/Pailn.
300 million people and this is the best that we can do.. :shock:

Re: The Democrats Doubt BO's reelection

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:24 pm
by Ellen Cormier
People don't become president to be your best friend. Obama and Hilary are both very different people but both share great similarities in terms of priorities so I don't think we would have a big difference in outcome. Hilary might have played more partisan hardball but would that lead to better results in a polarized country?

People need to seriously quit whining about Obama and ask themselves what they're doing personally to make this a better country and a better world. He said "yes WE can". The dude asked for a team effort and his aim was to include republicans in that as well no matter what their position because they hover around 50% of the population. There is no reason to be such a divided country. We all want opportunities and a secure future and a peaceful world. I do hope Hilary considers 2016. There don't seem to be any real leaders on the horizon from either party and that's kind of sad.

Re: The Democrats Doubt BO's reelection

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:10 pm
by Thealexa Becker
Ellen Cormier wrote:People don't become president to be your best friend. Obama and Hilary are both very different people but both share great similarities in terms of priorities so I don't think we would have a big difference in outcome. Hilary might have played more partisan hardball but would that lead to better results in a polarized country?


I don't know whether or not Hilary would have been the better choice overall in the end, because there are other factors to consider. But I will say this about her, she is one resolute, no non-sense politician. At least on that count, I thought she was stronger than Obama. Now whether or not that was what this country needed at the time, I do not know as I cannot speak for everyone.

People need to seriously quit whining about Obama and ask themselves what they're doing personally to make this a better country and a better world. He said "yes WE can". The dude asked for a team effort and his aim was to include republicans in that as well no matter what their position because they hover around 50% of the population. There is no reason to be such a divided country. We all want opportunities and a secure future and a peaceful world. I do hope Hilary considers 2016. There don't seem to be any real leaders on the horizon from either party and that's kind of sad.


People are entitled to whine about whoever is President. Liberals complained for eight years about Bush, and now conservatives get to complain about Obama. It's the way of the world.

You have to realize that no matter how much a president begs for bipartisan cooperation, he is NEVER going to get it. There are so many reasons why the other side won't want to compromise, including making the president look ineffective by not being able to get them to play ball.

This country has ALWAYS been at least a two party country. Politics will ALWAYS be divided. What IS ridiculous is the fact that people make up reasons to disagree on no-brainer issues.

I think that you are wrong about there being no leaders on either side. I know to liberals, saying a candidate from the republican side doesn't look too bad is pretty much unspeakable, but there are one or two republicans who I don't think would be bad presidents. Are they better than Obama? Too early to tell, but they aren't awful either. I hope that at least one of them wins the nomination, because that way I won't be smacking my forehead if the candidate I don't want to win takes the official election.

Re: The Democrats Doubt BO's reelection

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:12 pm
by Stephen Eisel
But I will say this about her, she is one resolute, no non-sense politician. At least on that count, I thought she was stronger than Obama.
trudat!

Re: The Democrats Doubt BO's reelection

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:56 pm
by Ellen Cormier
On the other hand, Hilary did vote for the Iraq war signaling a willingness to go along to get along for no principled reason. Also, dynastic successions of power should be at least somewhat distasteful to voters and hence that made me an early Obama supporter who switched to Hilary due to her knock out performances in early debates. I had no problem with either one becoming president.

I think from liberals there was lots of venom directed at George bush surely but he literally sentenced thousands and thousands of Iraqis to death on a blatant lie. Whether he was the mastermind or the puppet is largely irrelevant. It will be interesting to watch this crop of republican contenders dance around this mess of war we find ourselves in.

In general, yes the whining about Obama is insignificant compared to the contempt and vitriol that gets directed at struggling fellow Americans and those who hope for better days for all americans as well as justice and equality for other citizens of the world.

Re: The Democrats Doubt BO's reelection

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:30 pm
by Stephen Eisel
On the other hand, Hilary did vote for the Iraq war signaling a willingness to go along to get along for no principled reason.
or maybe Hillary made an educated decision based upon the facts..

Re: The Democrats Doubt BO's reelection

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:54 pm
by Ellen Cormier
Stephen, what facts are you referring to?

Personally, I only forgive the dems for voting for that war because i really think they thought bush was only trying to scare Iraq into compliance and wasn't really going to dive head long into another war. It was a grave mistake. We'd all be celebrating right now because Iraq would have been overthrowing their dictator right now with all the other countries if we had not intervened and wasted countless lives and trillions of dollars.

Of course it's about as worthless as wishing Hilary was president instead of Obama or wishing gore fought harder.

Re: The Democrats Doubt BO's reelection

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:54 am
by Stephen Eisel
36 UN Resolutions, a failure to comply with terms of surrender and not letting UN weapon inspectors do there job..

Re: The Democrats Doubt BO's reelection

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:02 am
by Bryan Schwegler
Ellen Cormier wrote:People need to seriously quit whining about Obama and ask themselves what they're doing personally to make this a better country and a better world. He said "yes WE can".


You're making an awfully big assumption that those of us not happy with Obama aren't doing things to make the world better on our own. Liking Obama is not a prerequisite to saving the world. ;)

Re: The Democrats Doubt BO's reelection

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:02 pm
by Will Brown
I think a major problem is that most of our politicians seek compromises, rather than solutions. There are times when a compromise is apt, but there are times when a compromise will not solve the problem. And when we evaluate politicians more on their looks and their posturing than on their executive talent, we shouldn't expect much in the way of governing.

I gave Secretary Clinton a failing grade because of the way she mismanaged her campaign; she had tons of money and frittered it away. Has their ever been a primary candidate who spent so much and still lost? I know the candidate does not handle the nuts and bolts of the campaign, but if the candidate surrounds herself with ineptitude, I start wondering how she will run the government.

By the way, I'm no fan of Bush, but I wonder what the lie he told was?

Re: The Democrats Doubt BO's reelection

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:50 pm
by ryan costa
McCain was nominated to lose. They knew they'd lose anyway.
and that America'd be having the exact same economic and financial situation it is having now. no matter who is president. May as well not have your quarterback take all that heat!

Hilary Clinton is terrible. and all the GOP Nominees are terrible.
The president after Obama will be terrible.