And on war, as a candidate he said that the president didn't have authority to unilaterally attack a country that didn't pose an imminent threat to the U.S., and even then the president should always seek the informed consent of Congress. Last month, without a vote in Congress, he attacked Libya, which didn't threaten the U.S.
Re: Obama = Bush????
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:02 pm
by Valerie Molinski
My memory is alittle fuzzy on this one, but I am pretty sure that Obama ran against McCain. Not Bush.
Regardless, I read the entire article.
At the same time, some of the surprising continuity of Bush-era policies can be tied to the way Bush and events set the nation's course, particularly on foreign policy.
"Morphing into Bush was not a willful act," said Aaron David Miller, a scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. "It was acquiescence to the policies his predecessor shaped and the cruel realities that Obama inherited."
For example, Obama found he couldn't easily close the prison at Guantanamo Bay because he couldn't find a place, abroad or at home, willing to take all the terrorist suspects held there.
"Bush created, on the military and security side, new realities from which no successor, Democrat or Republican, could depart, "Miller said. "It's like turning around an aircraft carrier. It cannot happen quickly."
but I am pretty sure that Obama ran against McCain. Not Bush.
Regardless, I read the entire article.
No, he also ran against Bush Policy's that he has not veered from... eg. Iraq, Afghanistan and Government spending..
Re: Obama = Bush????
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:25 pm
by Stephen Eisel
Did you miss the question marks?
Re: Obama = Bush????
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:33 pm
by Stephen Eisel
For example, Obama found he couldn't easily close the prison at Guantanamo Bay because he couldn't find a place, abroad or at home, willing to take all the terrorist suspects held there.
This shows how naive Obama was and is.. (and does not say much for the people that voted for him)....
Re: Obama = Bush????
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:29 pm
by Ellen Cormier
Wanting to close guantanemo has nothing to do with naivite. It's a flat out worthy goal that proved complicated. Also he's had foaming at the mouth republicans attacking every position he takes, sensible or otherwise whipping conservatives into a bizarre frenzy. Republicans have no solutions for guantanemo. Basically they have no solutions period other than letting the poor and middle class rot while the rich exploit what's left of the American empire.
Is Obama bush? No. Is Obama a flaming Muslim socialist? Heck no! Is Obama a pretty middle of the road centrist with a slight bent in favor of social justice? Yes and that's not a bad thing, especially for a polarized country.
Re: Obama = Bush????
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:13 am
by ryan costa
his tax and trade and economic policies are virtually identical to Bush's. republicans don't have much to be upset about. but the trash talk helps them attract votes. then again, that is Congress's job. even the Clinton's progressive taxes were much lower than Nixon's.
Ellen Cormier wrote:Wanting to close guantanemo has nothing to do with naivite. It's a flat out worthy goal that proved complicated. Also he's had foaming at the mouth republicans attacking every position he takes, sensible or otherwise whipping conservatives into a bizarre frenzy. Republicans have no solutions for guantanemo. Basically they have no solutions period other than letting the poor and middle class rot while the rich exploit what's left of the American empire.
Is Obama bush? No. Is Obama a flaming Muslim socialist? Heck no! Is Obama a pretty middle of the road centrist with a slight bent in favor of social justice? Yes and that's not a bad thing, especially for a polarized country.
It is obvious that Obama did not think it through when he talked about closing Guantanamo Bay during his campaign run. Yes, this shows how naive this man is when it comes to national security. I wish that Obama was a Muslim. This country could use a little more diversity amongst its leaders. Islam is a great religion.
Re: Obama = Bush????
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:28 pm
by Ellen Cormier
I think what Obama was naive about was the sheer evilness of the republican machine. People wanted guantanemo closed until republicans turned up the fear-o-meter back up to 400 degrees. Republicans wouldn't know a good idea if it bit them in The butt anymore. They are against everything except keeping the wealthy wealthy. And frankly it's sad. They'd spite us all to destroy a democratic president just because he's a democrat, a worldly intellectual black man no less. Theyve bent over backwards to bring stupid back. That's all theyve got, sheer hatred of a democrat in the white house. Nothing they say is for the good of the country at all. I'm mostly talking about elected republicans in this way not people who vote republican. I believe people who vote republican vote with the best of intentions though I wish they'd do more fact checking and less watching of fox news.
Re: Obama = Bush????
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:42 pm
by Stephen Eisel
Ellen Cormier wrote:I think what Obama was naive about was the sheer evilness of the republican machine. People wanted guantanemo closed until republicans turned up the fear-o-meter back up to 400 degrees. Republicans wouldn't know a good idea if it bit them in The butt anymore. They are against everything except keeping the wealthy wealthy. And frankly it's sad. They'd spite us all to destroy a democratic president just because he's a democrat, a worldly intellectual black man no less. Theyve bent over backwards to bring stupid back. That's all theyve got, sheer hatred of a democrat in the white house. Nothing they say is for the good of the country at all. I'm mostly talking about elected republicans in this way not people who vote republican. I believe people who vote republican vote with the best of intentions though I wish they'd do more fact checking and less watching of fox news.
It is all the Republican's fault that the democrats have elected the most inexperienced president in US History. He has done nothing about the deficit, terrorism (close closing Gitmo and hold terror trials in New York, LOL), Iran, and high fuel prices. Has he kept a single campaign promise? Sunlight before signing promise,no! Capital gains tax elimination, no. New American Jobs tax credit, no. No jobs for lobbyist, no! Bring the troops home in 16 months, no! Hatred? No, more like buyers remorse..
Re: Obama = Bush????
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:45 pm
by ryan costa
let's pretend I am president and a majority of congress right now. I will fix things. raise income tax on personal income over 250,000 to 50 percent.(fight deficit, promote economic growth and full employment: it worked in the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, and most of 70s(minus high interest rates). raise capital gains taxes to 30 percent. only give the tax-deductions on purchase of real-estate over 60 years old(fight sprawl --> oil addiction -->high gas prices. raise tariffs on all textile imports to 10 percent. raise tariffs on all consumer electronics, steel, metal, furniture, and plastic items to 35 percent.(eliminate waste, generate jobs, generate revenue, fight deficit). fund military expeditionary expenditures and VA exclusively with progressive income and corporate taxes. eliminate compulsory education after the age of 16. if they don't like school they can work in a field or a factory.(lower education costs, improve education performanc). tax penalty for passenger vehicles getting less than 32 mpg highway. unless you haul a lot of tools and equipment around, you don't need more than a ford focus wagon.(fight oil addiction. lower cost of gas).
It's pretty naive to think the president has much to do with gas prices unless maybe we have state owned oil companies I don't know about. I'm also pretty sure Obama has been working on energy initiatives but the head in the sand republicans think oil is just going to last forever and blowing off mountaintops is a great way to get coal! Also big kudos to John kasich for dumping our 3c corridor project. Thanks again republicans for destroying the future. I'm also doubly looking forward to eating cat food out of dumpsters and dying at the footsteps of a hospital when I'm a senior citizen and i get no social security and a lousy voucher for health care that won't pay for crap if you're old and sick. And frankly I'm not even being funny nor extreme! They've documented in detail their plans for exactly what I have just written.
Re: Obama = Bush????
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:08 pm
by Stephen Eisel
It's pretty naive to think the president has much to do with gas prices unless maybe we have state owned oil companies
So stopping offshore and domestic drilling does not impact oil prices in anyway? now who is being naive?
This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. Members often reintroduce bills that did not come up for debate under a new number in the next session.
Did you actually read the list of Obama's accomplishments? Obviously not! Thanks for proving my point!
