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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:32 pm
by Stephen Eisel
Danielle Masters wrote:Do you even read anything I type?

So how about Palin abusing her power as a governor? Are you okay with people with a proven track record of abusing power as a top official? Yes, yes she broke no laws, but still abuse of power. That is a pretty big deal.
Yes on the readig what you type... On abuse of power, I am againstt it... I am curious on why the tirade about the Obama clip??? Did you assume that I am anti-muslim?

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:34 pm
by Steve Hoffert
Ryan Salo wrote:Weak connections - closest is that pastor that he knew.

I guess if I had to choose between greedy crooks and racial haters/terrorists I would pick greedy crooks.

Unfortunately there isn't a 3rd legitimate choice.

It seems everyone at that level is corrupt in one way or another - we have to choose the safest candidate.

That would still be McCain.


So you are settling for McCain? Why not Cynthia McKinney or any other third party candidate as a protest? If you're pro-life, for a fiscally sound budget, anti-war, anti-spending, anti-tax than they both fail the litmus test. Both candidates are pathetic.. We shouldn't settle for mediocrity. If you vote for either Obama or McCain the result is equal. The rhetoric is different but those decisions that really effect the direction of this country will be are the same.

Voting for either one of these loser tickets is throwing your vote and your freedom away.

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:35 pm
by Stephen Eisel
Danielle Masters wrote:I promise to only teach them to stereotype old white buddhists...is that okay with you? :wink:

So come on, how about the abuse of power?
I am not happy with anyone who abuses power...

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:41 pm
by Danielle Masters
Stephen the tirade was because people at rallies are calling Obama a muslim and a arab and they are saying it like he is an evil person because of it. And the point of me getting upset was that video clip you showed was edited that way because people want to be able to say "look he's a muslim". His words were taken out of context. I get the emails from people saying he is an arab, muslim terrorist. The hate is disgusting. This all started today because I said that I was happy to see that McCain was correcting people today, that McCain was standing up for Obama. I have respect for him because of it. And I am glad that he wants to change the tone of his campaign. But it is still disturbing that many of his supporters booed him when he said that Obama was a good man, they booed when he was trying to change the tone, and that is just scary.

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:20 am
by Ryan Salo
[quote="Steve Hoffert"]So you are settling for McCain? Why not Cynthia McKinney or any other third party candidate as a protest?quote]

Most people that know me know that McCain was not my top choice.

I agree with more of McCain's ideas then I do about Obama.

McCain is the safer choice.

ok

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:15 pm
by ryan costa
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/st ... arah_palin

Palin is not good with her states money.

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:26 pm
by Ryan Salo
This is interesting from #9 of the list.

THE MYTH: "She's fought oil companies." — John McCain, introducing Palin

THE FACTS: Collected $13,000 in campaign contributions from oil and gas lobbyists, including Exxon, BP, Shell and Chevron. BP was a sponsor of her inaugural ball.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... spill.html

"Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses."

And yet Obama is against big oil????

McCain is the safer choice.

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:29 pm
by Danielle Masters
I am assuming that money was what she accepted during her campaign for governor. Comparing that to Obama's presidential campaign would be like comparing apples to oranges. In order for the amounts to be comparable we would need to know how much the McCain/Palin campaign has received from oil companies, their employees and their spouses.

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:46 pm
by ryan costa
Ryan Salo wrote:This is interesting from #9 of the list.

THE MYTH: "She's fought oil companies." — John McCain, introducing Palin

THE FACTS: Collected $13,000 in campaign contributions from oil and gas lobbyists, including Exxon, BP, Shell and Chevron. BP was a sponsor of her inaugural ball.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... spill.html

"Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses."


The amount listed concerns her governors race. I am ok with her accepting that money from oil. that was one of the most trivial items listed.

I am more concerned with all the money she wasted as mayor, and how she ended up having raise sales taxes to cover that. that parallels all the funding Reagan, Bush II, and Bush I have spent and then borrowed for us to pay back with future taxes.

How she supported the bridge to nowhere until it became too unpopular, then kept the money earmarked for it anyways after opposing it. "$223 million in federal funds to other pork projects throughout the state." some pork is better than other pork.

Employed lobbyist to get pork for Wasilla: "As mayor, employed a lobbyist who also worked for Jack Abramoff to secure $27 million in pork spending for Wasilla — more than $4,000 per resident. In her two years as governor, requested $453 million in earmarks. Alaska ranks first in the nation for pork, raking in seven times the national average."

build 15 million dollar hockey ring: "Signature accomplishment as mayor: building a $15 million hockey arena that plunged the city into debt. Broke ground on the project without finalizing the city's purchase of the land; the resulting fiasco cost Wasilla $1.3 million — roughly $200 per resident."

pipeline to nowhere:
THE MYTH: "We began a nearly $40 billion natural-gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence." — Sarah Palin, convention speech

THE FACTS: With federal approval years away, not a single section of the pipeline has been laid. State could end up paying the pipeline's contractor $500 million — even if it never breaks ground on the project.


mayor of meth capital of alaska:
THE MYTH: "She's from a small town with small-town values." — Fred Thompson, convention speech

THE FACTS: Wasilla and the surrounding valley recently named the meth capital of Alaska, with 42 meth labs busted in a single year.

a 15 million dollar hockey rink helps keep the kids off the meth.

take all the perks you can
THE MYTH: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending." — Sarah Palin, convention speech

THE FACTS: As governor, sought travel reimbursement for 312 nights she spent in her own home.

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:49 pm
by ryan costa
Ryan Salo wrote:This is interesting from #9 of the list.

THE MYTH: "She's fought oil companies." — John McCain, introducing Palin

THE FACTS: Collected $13,000 in campaign contributions from oil and gas lobbyists, including Exxon, BP, Shell and Chevron. BP was a sponsor of her inaugural ball.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... spill.html

"Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses."


The amount listed concerns her governors race. I am ok with her accepting that money from oil. that was one of the most trivial items listed.

I am more concerned with all the money she wasted as mayor, and how she ended up having raise sales taxes to cover that. that parallels all the funding Reagan, Bush II, and Bush I have spent and then borrowed for us to pay back with future taxes.

How she supported the bridge to nowhere until it became too unpopular, then kept the money earmarked for it anyways after opposing it. "$223 million in federal funds to other pork projects throughout the state." some pork is better than other pork.

Employed lobbyist to get pork for Wasilla: "As mayor, employed a lobbyist who also worked for Jack Abramoff to secure $27 million in pork spending for Wasilla — more than $4,000 per resident. In her two years as governor, requested $453 million in earmarks. Alaska ranks first in the nation for pork, raking in seven times the national average."

build 15 million dollar hockey ring: "Signature accomplishment as mayor: building a $15 million hockey arena that plunged the city into debt. Broke ground on the project without finalizing the city's purchase of the land; the resulting fiasco cost Wasilla $1.3 million — roughly $200 per resident."

pipeline to nowhere:
THE MYTH: "We began a nearly $40 billion natural-gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence." — Sarah Palin, convention speech

THE FACTS: With federal approval years away, not a single section of the pipeline has been laid. State could end up paying the pipeline's contractor $500 million — even if it never breaks ground on the project.


mayor of meth capital of alaska:
THE MYTH: "She's from a small town with small-town values." — Fred Thompson, convention speech

THE FACTS: Wasilla and the surrounding valley recently named the meth capital of Alaska, with 42 meth labs busted in a single year.

a 15 million dollar hockey rink helps keep the kids off the meth.

take all the perks you can
THE MYTH: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending." — Sarah Palin, convention speech

THE FACTS: As governor, sought travel reimbursement for 312 nights she spent in her own home.