News Release from Chief Tim Malley

[Jim O'Bryan]

You are totally missing my point.

I understand your point that we should try to do something different and better than the rest of the region. Your earlier post made it sound like you thought we didn't need our neighboring cities and I was just trying to point out that their well being and presence does affect us and that we do need them for various reasons.

Cris

I am sorry, the term "island" is a metaphor for taking care of our lot, while depending on no one. It is not a wall.

Gary

Maybe you heard the rumor. I contacted Blackwater last week. I do not think they are coming.

Probably cheaper letting the drug dealers kill the other drugs dealers. In the end it is a start.


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[Richard Cole]

The general perception of many in Lakewood and in the surrounding communities is that Lakewood is heading down hill. Am I the only one that hears that or am I the only one that says it out loud?

I'd just like to point out, that is not my quote.

[Gary Rice]

Jim,

Since 1776, Americans have exercised their right to self-defense. We don't need any private army to help us.

I would however, agree with the other premise of your post, that the greater part of crimes these days tends to be baddie vs. baddie.

It's the collateral damage that concerns me.

[chris richards]

I am sorry, the term "island" is a metaphor for taking care of our lot, while depending on no one. It is not a wall.

It is not the metaphor that lead me to believe that you think we don't need our neighbors, but rather how you said that if Cleveland disappeared Lakewood would keep going. That shows a Lakewoodcentric attitude that does not care for the region as a whole.

[Jim O'Bryan]

Jim,

Since 1776, Americans have exercised their right to self-defense. We don't need any private army to help us.

I would however, agree with the other premise of your post, that the greater part of crimes these days tends to be baddie vs. baddie.

It's the collateral damage that concerns me.

Gary

And me.

Let's be honest, a gangsta, shooting seven shots from a 9mm, and only 4 hit the target, and he lives! I think more than enough room for error and innocents being shot.

But as I have pointed out more than once. Conceal carry, self protection is that PERIOD.

When I drove cab I used to carry a gun, then my attorney had a long serious talk with me. It was not a worthwhile option. While self defense is fun to say the reality is much different.

You can still b dragged into court by the family, the spouse and survivor that is dependent, etc. If they each sue on their own, it would break most people.

The second amendment has more to do with forming militias, than carrying guns. This is an option, and some of us have looked into what is needed to deputize us. Not easy but possible.

Had Rodriguez pulled his gun on that kid in front of you. You would have two choices. One is watch, the other is challenge him. At that point he would have been protecting himself, when he shot you.

Do not believe the BS from the NRA. The only sane option, limit hand guns and hand gun production and keep shotguns in the home.

FWIW


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[Jeff Endress]

The second amendment has more to do with forming militias, than carrying guns.

I've been saying that for years.....I usually get shouted down. But, I think I remember reading that the Supreme Court has accepted a case for this term to address the meaning of the 2nd Amendment. It has always been assumed that the second related to guns in the same way as the First related to speech. But, I don't think the actual issue has ever been decided.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Be interesting to see how the Supreme Court construes this fairly simple language,

[Brad Hutchison]

I love the idea of the citizenry becoming more involved, but let's stick to block watches and being "friendly noisy neighbors." All this talk of concealed weapons, and deputizing civilians, and general vigilantism is kind of scary.

We can be the eyes and ears of the police force without having to become a police force. By being active outside, in the community, and reporting suspicious behavior, we can help the police we have operate more efficiently.

There's being vigilant, and there's being a vigilante. The first helps make Lakewood safer, the second gets more people hurt or killed.

[Jim O'Bryan]

There's being vigilant, and there's being a vigilante. The first helps make Lakewood safer, the second gets more people hurt or killed.

Amen



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[sharon kinsella]

Well - here is added steam to my fire.

Apparently a 14 year old child brought a hand gun to school, Success Tech, and shot 3 kids.

If the guns weren't manufactured, this child would not have had one in his hand.

For all you Section 8 baiters, this was a white kid who shot at black kids.

He's on the run at this time.

[Stephen Eisel]

There's being vigilant, and there's being a vigilante. The first helps make Lakewood safer, the second gets more people hurt or killed.

Amen



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here is an example of a vigilante


Warning the content in the below clip may not be suitable for all viewers.

Charles Bronson vs two muggers

[Gary Rice]

Jim,

With the deepest respect, I sincerely must disagree with you as to the Second Amendment.

The Militia argument has never succeeded in the courts for the past 200 years, as Jeff well knows. The only gun limitations that have worked were those involving specialty guns, (like machine guns) and even these can be usually owned by common citizens with a license and payment of a federal transfer tax.

Time and again, in example after example, an armed and prepared citizenry has succeeded in stopping crime in its tracks.

No one is discussing vigilante justice here. Just crime stopping.

There should be no more scare with a trained citizen concealed carry person, than with a police officer. Both are well-aware of the rules of engagement, and both are prepared to save lives.

Jim, you are of course right, in that either officer or citizen could face court actions after the fact.

As far as hand guns, paring knives, ball bats or any other potentially lethal device is concerned, proper knowledge and training is paramount.

The NRA stands at the forefront of gun safety. Rules for young people encountering a gun are spelled out quite clearly in many safety programs:

Stop! Don't touch! Leave the area! Tell an adult!

The problem, so often, stems from a lack of knowledge about the very real dangers involved with irresponsible gun usage and handling.

Whether we like or dislike guns, (and I do not particularly like them) the fact is that they are here. Safety is the first step in dealing with any potentially lethal object.

[Stephen Eisel]

Well - here is added steam to my fire.

Apparently a 14 year old child brought a hand gun to school, Success Tech, and shot 3 kids.

If the guns weren't manufactured, this child would not have had one in his hand.

For all you Section 8 baiters, this was a white kid who shot at black kids.

He's on the run at this time.

How dare you turn this tragedy into a race issue...

Shooter news (clicky)

Mayor Frank Jackson says two of the victims are students. The victims are males, ages 17 and 14. Another 14-year-old girl was injured as she ran from the building.

The additional victims are both adult males, ages 57 and 42. According to MetroHealth Medical Center, the 57-year-old male is listed in good condition, and the 42-year-old male is still being evaluated.

All four victims suffered what are being described as non-life threatening injuries.

[sharon kinsella]

You know Eisel I have had a belly full of you, your cavalier attitude, your stupid, inapropriate remarks.

If you had a brain you would know that I was referring back to the statements, that you and some of the other ists on this form have made when they blame, section 8, ghetto, thugs. If I remember correctly it all started with the remark about the young girl selling lemonad who YOU said was so ghetto.

Oh and Mr. NRA Buddhist.

The kid is dead. He shot himself.

[sharon kinsella]

Oh, and pry yourself off the keyboard and tv screen and do something useful with yourself instead of always just running your mouth.

[Stephen Eisel]

You know Eisel I have had a belly full of you, your cavalier attitude, your stupid, inapropriate remarks.

If you had a brain you would know that I was referring back to the statements, that you and some of the other ists on this form have made when they blame, section 8, ghetto, thugs. If I remember correctly it all started with the remark about the young girl selling lemonad who YOU said was so ghetto.

Oh and Mr. NRA Buddhist.

The kid is dead. He shot himself.

Inapropriate is bringing race into a tragedy and painting people with a broad brush... Good point Sharon! a white kid shot at some black kids... how relevant to the Section 8 discussion...