The Observation Deck

Stephen,
We could all sit here all day and pick out facts to post against whomever, but you are still missing the point.

No Christine, that is not true in this case. Several people here had the facts completely wrong on why the investigation against Bill Clinton started. He was accused of rape and violating the civil rights of Paula Jones and that is starting point.

Christine wrote: I think the ugly reasons why the Republican party went after Clinton (not to mention the one leading the investigation was having his own affair, one of several) is biting them in many places now.

You are also guilty of "picking out facts". Kenneth Starr was not the first investigator appointed by Janet Reno. Robert Fiske was. This all started with Whitewater.

Chritine wrote: The Democratic party does not get bulk of their money from a Religious group dictating to them what OUR laws should be. HELLO you of all people know there are more religions in AMERICA than CHRISTIANITY alone.

So, are you saying that Churches and organize religions specifically Christian Churches donate money to presidential campaigns???? I belong to a non-Christian religion and do not see this government as oppressing my religion or restriciting my freedoms. What laws are you talking about?

Leave religion out of politics! Quit catering to lobbyist and groups and run the f-ing country on the morals and ethics it was founded on!

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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions,"

"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence"

Justine, exactly where do you think the moral and ethical background of our founding fathers came from?

Don't blame religion for the failings of a person's character. Blame the person.

So for the amount of gay scandals (and straight scandals)the Republicans are caught in (NOT to mention how many don't get caught) THIS IS THE WORST HYPOCRISY! To stand up to fight gay marriage while you are having gay encounters in a bathroom stall says it all!!!!!!

Being against gay marriage does not mean that a person is anti gay. It means that they view marriage as a vow between a man and woman only. Are republicans calling for gay civil rights to be revoked? Also, the gay marriage thing was voted on by the people in several states in 2004.

The actions of one individual does mean that a group they belong to is also guilty of that crime or actions. I do not believe that all of Islam is evil because of the actions of Al Qaeda.

but yes the Republican scandals since Clinton are double!

and for my educational benefit, would you mind citing your source for this statistic? Or is this just your opinion?

This is not a pissing contest on who had more affairs, but yes the Republican scandals since Clinton are double! And to imply they are irrelevant because they are not the President is minimizing. They are the US Senators and other ELECTED officials getting paid with OUR tax money!

Then why do you keep on bringing up that republicans have had more scandals then the democrats if this is not a "pissing contest"? What do you mean by double? That the republicans have had twice as many scandals as the dems since Clinton??? Please list your source..

The power of the President / responsibilities versus one Senator is night and day (the president has a lot more responsibilities then a Senator). Senator Craig playing footsy in a bathroom stall pales in comparison to what Clinton did and did not do in the Oval Office as a result of his escapades with Monica and etc.

Bret Callentine wrote:

Leave religion out of politics! Quit catering to lobbyist and groups and run the f-ing country on the morals and ethics it was founded on!

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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions,"

"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence"

Justine, exactly where do you think the moral and ethical background of our founding fathers came from?

Don't blame religion for the failings of a person's character. Blame the person.

Good point! As a non Christian, I realize that this country does have a Christian influence in its roots. I do not have a problem with that. The great thing about this country is the number of religions that co-exist here and for the most part get along.

Justine wrote: I was surprised to not see any thread about this incident. How did we go from spending millions of tax dollars to persecute Clinton for an affair, to scandals such as this being pushed under the rug.

Some don't believe in Karma. I do. I think the ugly reasons why the Republican party went after Clinton (not to mention the one leading the investigation was having his own affair, one of several) is biting them in many places now.

let us look at some statistics on the Larry Craig coverage(clicky here)

Media Bias ??? (clicky here)

The first search result is that of the bathroom sex solicitation incident involving Republican Senator Larry Craig of Idaho. A Nexis search for keywords reveals the following results:

Search Keywords:

Senator Craig 1,598
Senator Larry Craig 823
Larry Craig Republican 1,312
That equals 3,733 mentions of this story in the news sources contained in the Lexis-Nexis database.

Isn’t the real issue about expected behavior? It should not be about just general lifestyle behavior, but the role that the public expects for life in public office.

It used to be a high standard. Consider if Nixon’s downfall was instead LBJ’s minions spying on Republican national campaign offices. Would those offenses have been more tolerable because he was a Democrat? Let’s hope not. The “expenseâ€Â

Dustin, great post!

David Vitter recieved a standing ovation from the Republic caucus yesterday.

David Scott wrote:David Vitter recieved a standing ovation from the Republic caucus yesterday.

Did you not read the "Man Code of rules" page 38?

Stephen - I am trying to follow you : are you saying that there is a "man code" which allows for what Davd Vitter did ?? Becasue that what it appears to be. If so, what code allows a married man to wear a diaper and pay for sex ??

I am not sure, but it appears you are saying sex with a prostitute is OK but gay sex is not ? Even if it is a joke, it is bad taste. Or maybe I misunderstood

David Scott wrote:Stephen - I am trying to follow you : are you saying that there is a "man code" which allows for what Davd Vitter did ?? Becasue that what it appears to be. If so, what code allows a married man to wear a diaper and pay for sex ??

I am not sure, but it appears you are saying sex with a prostitute is OK but gay sex is not ? Even if it is a joke, it is bad taste. Or maybe I misunderstood

No David, it was a joke.. Please do not read more into in then there is... thanks

David Scott wrote:Stephen - I am trying to follow you : are you saying that there is a "man code" which allows for what Davd Vitter did ?? Becasue that what it appears to be. If so, what code allows a married man to wear a diaper and pay for sex ??

I am not sure, but it appears you are saying sex with a prostitute is OK but gay sex is not ? Even if it is a joke, it is bad taste. Or maybe I misunderstood

Where did I give an opinion on gay sex??? Where did I say that sex with a prostitute was ok? My comment about the man code was a joke and was as irrelevant as your Vitter comment. I am not sure why you brought Vitter into this. Do you feel better?