The Observation Deck

Does this question include when Lakewood was part of Rockport Township?

That sounds good to me. Bring on the old, old lore.

Brian Essi wrote:

Jim Kenny wrote:Brian: Why the need for formal salutations? We've never used these before, online or offline.

Why, too, are you so compelled to define me in such terse terms? Yes, I provide PR and marketing services and counsel to growth companies. But you know that, yet elected not to share it with others. You also ignored my commitment to Lakewood; how I've lived here for more than 22 years and raised two boys; the fact that my wife and I were both raised in Avon Lake, yet only looked to Lakewood when we returned to Ohio. You also failed to share that I've been active in the schools, for which I was once treasurer for Garfield's PTA, active with athletic boosters, and made contributions to the school's Phase 3 committee, just to name a few. You knew all these things, but you continued your practice of ignoring the balance of facts because these don't fit your narrative.

No wonder you see the need to call a liar of anyone who thinks differently than you, as you're blinded by an unbalanced view; one that only contains facts that make you feel better about your distorted views.

Please know that you remain in my prayers. Godspeed.

Mr. Kenny,

Its is not a matter of "thinking differently"--it is a documented fact that the prior PAC lied to voters and took $50K of charitable money to support the closing of the of the largest charity and one of the oldest businesses in Lakewood. You are on the Host Committee for the new PAC's fundraiser and that PAC has recited on line pretty much the same lies as the previous PAC---You spoke at city hall for the previous PAC.

It is not a matter of "formal salutations"---The SLH people on a different thread went on record to condemn alleged phone calls made to shut down a small charity even though there was little or no evidence that it ever happened.

Will you go on record to condemn the use of lies, misinformation, disinformation and the secret use of charitable money to shut down one of Lakewood's oldest businesses and largest charities?

It is a simple question of respect and honesty in civil discourse that you talk about and requires a yes or no answer from you that you pledge to follow your own statements of principles.

I guess Jim Kenny is speechless in the face of simple questions about the "dark money" likely to be raised by the event mentioned in the "Lakewood Insiders Rebrand As Lakewood Voters for Progress" article written by Bill Mager in this weeks LO:

http://lakewoodobserver.com/read/2016/0 ... s-ahead-of

Brian Essi wrote: I guess Jim Kenny is speechless in the face of simple questions about the "dark money" likely to be raised by the event mentioned in the "Lakewood Insiders Rebrand As Lakewood Voters for Progress" article written by Bill Mager in this weeks LO:

http://lakewoodobserver.com/read/2016/0 ... s-ahead-of

Brian / All

I see how this innocent, straightforward question got dragged into the civil war III with the comment that the Hospital is the oldest business.

I understand how it started to slide around as we talked about businesses, and businesses suffering or not.

But I am pretty amazed sitting here at midnight that you worked Bill Mager's article into this thread?!
But I am going to move this over to your other thread, http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewt ... =7&t=23220

Because I am dying to find out what Gilman has for oldest business in Rockport.

Thread drift is a killer.

peace

Jim O'Bryan wrote:

Brian Essi wrote: I guess Jim Kenny is speechless in the face of simple questions about the "dark money" likely to be raised by the event mentioned in the "Lakewood Insiders Rebrand As Lakewood Voters for Progress" article written by Bill Mager in this weeks LO:
http://lakewoodobserver.com/read/2016/0 ... s-ahead-of

Brian / All
I see how this innocent, straightforward question got dragged into the civil war III with the comment that the Hospital is the oldest business. I understand how it started to slide around as we talked about businesses, and businesses suffering or not. But I am pretty amazed sitting here at midnight that you worked Bill Mager's article into this thread?! But I am going to move this over to your other thread, http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewt ... =7&t=23220

Because I am dying to find out what Gilman has for oldest business in Rockport. Thread drift is a killer. peace

Ducky. But can you take Mr. Kenny and Mr. Wadden over there, too?
I eagerly await Chief Gilman's Rockport lore...

I asked my dad this question. He is 80 and an Ed's graduate. He seemed to think that Merry Art's is older than Mahalls. Said that Mahall brothers used to hang out ocassionaly at Merry Art's. That doesn't mean anything, just a comment that he made.

So to summerize. You've got McGorreys, Merry Art's, the Lark Ridge(Stan's old stomping grounds), graftech, Geigers (unlikely), Mahall's Lanes, and possibly First Fed?

Hey cmager, why you picking on me? I stayed on topic.

Patrick Wadden wrote:So to summerize. You've got McGorreys, Merry Art's, the Lark Ridge(Stan's old stomping grounds), graftech, Geigers (unlikely), Mahall's Lanes, and possibly First Fed?

Hey cmager, why you picking on me? I stayed on topic.

>>> Add Lakewood Hospital.
This time you did stay on topic. Thank you!

I see how this innocent, straightforward question got dragged into the civil war III with the comment that the Hospital is the oldest business.

Started in 1907 as a private hospital, the hospital is one of the older institutions in the city. It offers a service for which it charges. That meets the criteria of a business, as do most non-profit businesses today.

So why would or should that comment "start a civil war" when it was a legitimate response to the question. We are all guessing here.

I am sure this does not qualify but I wanted to throw it out anyway. What about the cemetery on Detroit between Belle and St Charles? When I was a kid it was an empty lot overgrown and there were graves there, rumor had said some Indian graves and maybe some others. It was old.

Are churches businesses? As in in "we're in the business of saving souls."

What some may deem as "thread drift," other may consider as merely "expanding the boundaries of the conversation at hand."

Peter Grossetti wrote:Are churches businesses? As in in "we're in the business of saving souls."

Good one Peter I like your drift. Which church is the oldest? Saving souls is important business.

james fitzgibbons wrote:I am sure this does not qualify but I wanted to throw it out anyway. What about the cemetery on Detroit between Belle and St Charles? When I was a kid it was an empty lot overgrown and there were graves there, rumor had said some Indian graves and maybe some others. It was old.

James

I might be mistaken, but I think that is why "Lakewood Cemetery" is on the middle of Rocky River.

As for thread drift, just trying to keep things flowing.

I would hate to see Brian's posts get lost in the middle of another discussion.

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Many summers before the Euro-invaders came from Sunrise Ocean to this (Oyo) part of Great Turtle's Land, the pathway (later, plank road) now called "Detroit Avenue" was one of many old dried-up beaches of a shrinking Great Lake. Being therefore, relatively free of vegetation, it was then, and remains today, a primary thoroughfare engaged in the business of commercial transportation, so the pathway itself may be Lakewood's oldest continuing place of business.

The oldest place of worship around here, as documented in "Lakewood Lore", by the great Dan Chabek, would probably be reported evidence of indigenous people's graves and a ceremonial area that were either on, or around Yacht Club Island in Rocky River, (and-I add here, likely on the nearby Metropark grounds). While any trace or evidence of indigenous activity on Yacht Club Island has long since disappeared, any number of drum circles and other spiritual prayers and dances still transpire in our area.

Less well known, but equally spiritual and sacred, would be the pathway of the Underground Railroad. Some friends and I had an excellent lunch at Don's Pomeroy House in Strongsville the other day. As evidenced by the bronze marker at the home's entrance, that former domicile was reportedly a stop on the UR, with escaped slaves in the dead of night moving from there into the Rocky River Valley and on up to the lake and to Canada and freedom.

My own father and I, with the help of Lakewood's Mayor George, provided a granite marker at the top of Lakewood's walkway to the freedom lake, so that their journey will never be forgotten.

A dear friend once told me that he considers the "Valley" to be his cathedral. He was a wise man.

There is more to the present than the present. Listen to the winds, and learn.

For this time, I have spoken.

Back to the banjo...

Jim O'Bryan wrote:I might be mistaken, but I think that is why "Lakewood Cemetery" is on the middle of Rocky River.

That's something else I've wondered about over the years. It also goes toward a related topic that could be a whole separate thread… something to come back to.