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Re: Bio

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:40 pm
by Valerie Molinski
Bill Call wrote:
And since none of Lakewood's problems will be solved by any green solution any minute spent by City officials on "green" solutions is a wasted minute.
And here's another deep thought from me:

Why NOT be a local leader in some sort of green initiative? It COULD very well go a long way towards attracting new residents to the city when they cannot find this type outlook on sustainable living anywhere else locallly. And those taxes from these new resident would most certainly help with our fiscal crisis, no?

I would hope it would attract a younger more progressive group of residents instead of crotchety old people who rail against having to sort their cans from their trash just because they like to complain about everything under the sun.

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:54 pm
by Ivor Karabatkovic
Valerie,

very valid points.

it's kind of what is always said "you don't know what you have until it's gone". I know of a lot of people that have left Lakewood over the years and they all say "I wish I my city had a recycling program".

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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:55 am
by Bill Call
Valerie Molinski wrote:Again, since our city is in a budget crisis, 'wasting time' on 'green solutions' might actually help ease costs... implementing a better recycling program cuts down on trash, metals can be sold back for recycling, etc... Personally, due to recycling and composting, my family of four only generates 1-2 kitchen bags of trash each week. Im taking up less space and weight in the landfill that the city pays for. What are you doing?
Recycling does save the City money. Just from memory (always a bad idea) I think it is $250,000 or so a year with about 40% participation. Mandatory recycling would save more but enforcement costs might negate the savings. The refuse department could be a profit center for the City. ( I happen to think most City departments should be self funded profit centers but that's a subject for another day).

If council, the administration and the public want to expend some time and money on branding Lakewood as a "green" city it might have some small affect on improving people's perception of Lakewood. Of course safe streets, solid housing stock, vibrant shopping districts, good students, attractive commercial districts etc, would do a lot to create the perception of Lakewood as a "cool" place to live.

Creating public and private partnerships that create that cool perception have the potential to increase the City's population. How? By increasing shopping and working opportunities in the City which would reduce consumption of all types of fuel which would do a lot more to improve the environment than a bunch of touchy feely feel good fanfare that give people a warm and fuzzy feeling but make little difference.

What am I doing? We have always recycled. My thermostat is set at 65 degrees. I live in Lakewood close to where I work instead of 40 miles away. I vote for politicians who favor pro growth policies instead of "green" policies that increase poverty and hence a dirtier environment.
I have replaced some of my bulbs with the new mercury vapor lights to a save a few cents although such bulbs save little energy and will ultimately mean huge increases in mercury contamination in Lake Erie. But that's OK. I feel real good every time I wait for one of the bulbs to warm up so it will finally throw off some light.

Of course most of the current political hysteria about the "environment" is simply a bureaucratic smoke screen to provide cover for policies and bureaucracies whose real goal is to increase poverty, increase the power of the state, lesson personal freedom and lower economic growth to create a permanent underclass that will provide the votes needed to sustain the bureaucracy.

Do really believe those "scientists" who say that they can predict the average world temperature in July of 2096 within two tenths of a degree? And not only that but that by micromanaging your lifestyle they can regulate the Earths temperature much like you would regulate the temperature of your living room?

If you want a greener Lakewood champion policies that increase the City's population. If you want a greener world champion policies that make the world wealthier.

Re: $

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:15 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Bill Call wrote: Recycling does save the City money. Just from memory (always a bad idea) I think it is $250,000 or so a year with about 40% participation. Mandatory recycling would save more but enforcement costs might negate the savings. The refuse department could be a profit center for the City. ( I happen to think most City departments should be self funded profit centers but that's a subject for another day).

Bill

I am with you.

Do not privatize, profitize!

If someone else can run it and make a profit, then the city needs to see how and do it themselves!


FWIW


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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:07 am
by Valerie Molinski
Jim O'Bryan wrote:
Bill Call wrote: Recycling does save the City money. Just from memory (always a bad idea) I think it is $250,000 or so a year with about 40% participation. Mandatory recycling would save more but enforcement costs might negate the savings. The refuse department could be a profit center for the City. ( I happen to think most City departments should be self funded profit centers but that's a subject for another day).

Bill

I am with you.

Do not privatize, profitize!

If someone else can run it and make a profit, then the city needs to see how and do it themselves!


FWIW


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That would be about all I would agree with you on, but that is ok. Tomato, tomahto.

Maybe someone at the city was reading this thread. I just got this email from another Lakewood resident:

"We were just informed today that all plastics # 1-7 (including margarine, yogurt, grocery store produce containers, etc.) will be accepted for curb recyling. They will now also accept empty plastic bags, just throw them in with the rest. (Of course, it's much better to use cloth bags!!)

Previously it was just all plastics that have a "neck" (pop / water bottles)

You can continue to mix plastics / glass / cans in the same clear or blue bag "-

Also you can unscrew plastic lids and throw those in the bag.

The update is also on the Lakewood City Hall recycling site.

http://www.ci.lakewood.oh.us/pw_refuse.html

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:25 am
by dl meckes
That's really wonderful news!

The one thing we really don't use are bottles with necks, so this change is very welcome in our house.

This makes recycling very easy.

We have been giving our blue bags to a local food pantry but they are also attempting to get reusable bags to their patrons.

One more thing - keep a box near your mailbox or your desk to recycle junk mail. If you aren't doing this, you won't believe how much you'll collect for recycling.

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:49 am
by Stephen Eisel
Do not privatize, profitize!
I like that saying.