The Establishment

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:00 pm

Ryan
Instead of trying to "save" the middle east, which I could barely spit out as I had an image of Hunt Oil over there striking deals for oil while our men and women are dying every day, imagine how we could feed the world if not paying for our military to be everywhere else! Instead all of our companies are closing and going to places like Mexico or China to produce and send back products that kill our pets, damage our children (hm do you wonder if the lead paint in childrens' toys could be contributing to our rise in Autism?) and really the ones paid slave wages making the products can't even afford them themselves, but hey, let's keep outsourcing. National City now 1200 plus jobs gone, not related to the mortgage crisis, or indirectly is if that is why they are "losing money". Soon you may hear an Indian accent when you call about your account.

As for the college degree, the most intelligent, compassionate, hard-working, and honest people I have ever met, from my mother to her mother to her mother never had a college degree. But they did have enough knowledge and wisdom to teach anybody what real life is. However, without a degree, with all the layoffs and outsourcing, options are more and more limited. That may be the value. All those mortgage brokers that did not need a degree are now out of a job with nowhere to go. At least with a degree you have more choices. It doesn't make you better as a human, just with more choices to pursue your passion.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:19 pm

The economy somehow functioned better during the enormous progressive taxation of the 40s and 50s and 60s and even 70s, by most benchmarks.

The 70's and Jimmy Carter were not exactly good economic times for the US.

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:38 am

The economic times were better in the 70's than now, much more opportunity. And Jimmy Carter has been doing exceptional humanitarian work ever since he left office.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:10 am

Justine Cooper wrote:The economic times were better in the 70's than now, much more opportunity. And Jimmy Carter has been doing exceptional humanitarian work ever since he left office.

I will not go Justine on you for being argumentative. I will not ask you a series of irrelevant Justine questions such as "were you working or buying a house in the 70's ?"

... Instead, I will ask you for the facts. I do not recall that interest rates, unemployment, and inflation were better during the Carter admin then now. So please educate me on the boom economy of the Carter admin.. Thanks!

ps What American president helped to start the Mujahideen by secretly funding them in 1979?

David Lay · Post by **David Lay** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:12 am

Who says Justine's questions are irrelevant?

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:26 am

Thank you David and I am too tired this morning to engage you Stephen. I was a kid in California in the 70's, middle class among higher class and observed opportunities for everyone, blue collar, college educated, vocational, to do what they wanted and move ahead. I don't remember a depression or a huge deficit in the country's funds. And while I agree Carter was not the best of all of our leaders, I would take a humanitarian over a greedy oilman any day. Look around Stephen, if these high gas prices, losing jobs, outsourced companies, schools without books, etc. are good enough for you, then I find that sad. We are still in a war that we can't get out of and the outcome is quite bleak. My life may be pretty good but I cannot ignore what is going on for many around us. And FYI your little immature digs at "justine" comments are not negated just because you put a smiling face next to it. Your comments are transparent and I would not be maintaining a 4.0 in grad school if I were as unintelligent as you would like me to believe. All I did was comment about Carter and my opinion of him. To turn it like you do is a disrespect to what this deck is supposed to be. Get over yourself and let's let this forum be useful and respectful for the community. People can differ opinions but your remarks are not a reflection of that, they are personal attacks and your bullying doesn't intimidate me at all.

One last thing, while you sit in your arm chair putting down comments from "irrational" women because we have stronger emotions than you, it is this same group of humans who stop what they are doing, cook meals or buy ham for this local family and stop in to let them know they are not alone. Quit dismissing the other "emotional" sex, they are the heart of the community and I would hate to see this world without that emotional side.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:44 am

Justine this has nothing to do with emotions or me being male or you being female. I know that you like to play that card. I simply asked for the facts about the "Carter economy". (and attempted to use a little humor) Please do not take anything that I post on this board seriously or personal.. Thanks

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:51 am

OK Stephen, I won't take it personally when you highlight my name in another color and make rude remarks. Yes you do have a history of putting down women and I guess to make up for it you commented "great post" to two women with completely opposite posts so I wonder which one you agree with. Whatever. As for irrelevant posts, you have posted 1100 times in the last couple months and I am sure all relevant, even the ones interjected in Sharon's posts just to comment on Sharon. give it up and let the deck be used for good.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:05 am

Oh Justine, you have been a victim of my warped sense of humor. I was just making light of some of your responses to me in other threads. I am sorry that you took my post the wrong way. It was not meant to hurt you.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:09 am

I guess to make up for it you commented "great post" to two women with completely opposite posts so I wonder which one you agree with.

In my book, I do not have to agree with someone to tell them that they have made a great post.

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:09 am

I am not hurt trust me. I just read between the lines. I believe everyone has a right to their beliefs but I also believe in backing up what you believe in with action. There is nothing you can say to make me feel bad. We all have to look ourselves in the mirror every night and know if we did good in the world or not. What is relevant to a person in their own life may be very different than what is relevant to another. And I am worried about this country and where it is going and I do happen to like Jimmy Carter, incidentally.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:16 am

Maybe you should not read between the lines. I simply posted that the 1970's and Jimmy Carter were not exactly good economic times for the US. So what does that have to do with Jimmy Carter personally?

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:18 am

go back and read my post. I just wrote my opinion on that time and Carter and then look at how you responded. That was not between the lines. It was pretty much a direct hit.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:33 am

Justine Cooper wrote:go back and read my post. I just wrote my opinion on that time and Carter and then look at how you responded. That was not between the lines. It was pretty much a direct hit.

And, I was asking both you and Ryan for facts on the Carter economy.. Are not opinions usually backed up with some facts?

Shawn Juris · Post by **Shawn Juris** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:46 am

Kids,
Do not make me turn this car around.

If you're not going to play nice then