AutoRecycling--yes,Parking ban--no,residents to fight it out

[Paul Schrimpf]

I hope no one minds if I don't accept a can, because right now my intention is to take it to the dump myself. If the plan is to create a "Monster Island" on every street with residents strruggling/fighting for bin space, just on principle I have to respectfully decline.

I feel worse for my neighbor ... he has three units over two houses on a 40 x 165, and will have to find room for 6 bins now. Three looks bad enough.

[marklingm]

I guess it's been decided. A notice came home in my daughter's backpack from The City of Lakewood Department of Refuse and Recycling entitled "Seize the Day-- Seize the Space."

They actually do intend for the residents to fight it out among themselves. Or as they put it, "Seize the Space." According to the notice, this is one of the "Challenges of Further Automation."

Betsy,

In response to your post, I’m sure that the good folks at City Hall would simply paraphrase President Obama, and say, "Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, we won!”

There are elections coming up this November.

Those elections have consequences, too.

Does anyone care?

Matt

Hi Matt--

A couple things. ***

The second thing, our Council members didn't actually have a vote on how this procedure would be carried out. Presumably they had a voice in whether we should get automated recycling bins in the first place-- one would hope so. I spoke to David Anderson in the middle of the summer and he said, "We don't get to vote on this at all. We are not the ones deciding how it will be done."

Wow, this is indeed a new Betsy!

In the “old days,” you would have crucified public officials – anointed/appointed/elected or otherwise – if they gave you the above City Hall response.

While Mayor Summers was initially anointed and appointed, he was ultimately elected – albeit uncontested.

In any event, I am glad to hear that you have confirmation that City Council has embraced its “sheeple” role.

I'm not sure when the first wave will be implemented but I wouldn't be surprised if it was after November. And if it's before that, I hope people let their Council candidates know how they feel about this, and ask those candidates what they intend to do about it.

If members of City Council are nothing more than simple sheeple, what will change in this election?

I still believe that elections have consequences.

Are the folks at City Hall our only hope?





... coming soon ...

Matt

[Betsy Voinovich]

Betsy,

In response to your post, I’m sure that the good folks at City Hall would simply paraphrase President Obama, and say, "Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, we won!”

There are elections coming up this November.

Those elections have consequences, too.

Does anyone care?

Matt


Hi Matt--

A couple things. ***

The second thing, our Council members didn't actually have a vote on how this procedure would be carried out. Presumably they had a voice in whether we should get automated recycling bins in the first place-- one would hope so. I spoke to David Anderson in the middle of the summer and he said, "We don't get to vote on this at all. We are not the ones deciding how it will be done."[/quote]







Wow, this is indeed a new Betsy!

In the “old days,” you would have crucified public officials – anointed/appointed/elected or otherwise – if they gave you the above City Hall response.

While Mayor Summers was initially anointed and appointed, he was ultimately elected – albeit uncontested.

In any event, I am glad to hear that you have confirmation that City Council has embraced its “sheeple” role.

I'm not sure when the first wave will be implemented but I wouldn't be surprised if it was after November. And if it's before that, I hope people let their Council candidates know how they feel about this, and ask those candidates what they intend to do about it.

If members of City Council are nothing more than simple sheeple, what will change in this election?

I still believe that elections have consequences.

Are the folks at City Hall our only hope?





... coming soon ...

Matt





Hi Matt, from the "new" Betsy--

For some reason you left out the rest of what I said which was:

Betsy said: The second thing, our Council members didn't actually have a vote on how this procedure would be carried out. Presumably they had a voice in whether we should get automated recycling bins in the first place-- one would hope so. I spoke to David Anderson in the middle of the summer and he said, "We don't get to vote on this at all. We are not the ones deciding how it will be done."

So it's not as straightforward as figuring out who voted for this plan and who didn't. It would be more of wondering why they didn't step in and try to protect their constituents more from this situation.

And maybe they are waiting to see how it plays out, what works and what doesn't, before they voice an opinion.

I'm not sure when the first wave will be implemented but I wouldn't be surprised if it was after November. And if it's before that, I hope people let their Council candidates know how they feel about this, and ask those candidates what they intend to do about it.

What I said was that Council didn't get to vote on the process. On HOW this would work.

So then I said it's not as straightforward or as EASY as just looking at who voted for the terrible plan and voting against them, since none of them voted on the plan.

And THEN I said--- the role of Council people in this case would be asking them, as citizens of Lakewood who are supposed to be represented by them, and I quote myself from above: "...why they didn't step in and protect their constituents more from this situation."

And THEN I said-- we should all ask the candidates running for Council what they think of this plan and what they intend to do about it, before we vote.

Not really seeing a "new" Betsy here.

You need to find out who represents you, in your ward, in my ward, Ward 2-- my Councilman is running for the At Large position. He represents a ward right now that will be the most tortured by this garbage thing--- but people all over Lakewood will be tortured by this as well-- ask him. His name is Tom Bullock, ask him what he will do to help the people whose time and peace is shattered once a week by this plan.

And then ask one of the non-incumbents, Sam O'Leary for example. He seems to have a lot of energy.

What are the issues, who are your representatives, HOW are they representing YOU and your family?

And then you vote.

It's not rocket surgery, but you do have to know what's going on, which isn't always that easy to find out, and once you do, you usually have to track down your representative (unless he's proactive, like David Anderson) to find out what his or her position is, and why, and whether you feel that that position represents you and your family.

It's not really radical. It's just making the time and effort to BE a citizen.

Betsy Voinovich

[marklingm]

Hi Matt, from the "new" Betsy--

For some reason you left out the rest of what I said which was:

Betsy said: The second thing, our Council members didn't actually have a vote on how this procedure would be carried out. Presumably they had a voice in whether we should get automated recycling bins in the first place-- one would hope so. I spoke to David Anderson in the middle of the summer and he said, "We don't get to vote on this at all. We are not the ones deciding how it will be done."

So it's not as straightforward as figuring out who voted for this plan and who didn't. It would be more of wondering why they didn't step in and try to protect their constituents more from this situation.

And maybe they are waiting to see how it plays out, what works and what doesn't, before they voice an opinion.

I'm not sure when the first wave will be implemented but I wouldn't be surprised if it was after November. And if it's before that, I hope people let their Council candidates know how they feel about this, and ask those candidates what they intend to do about it.

What I said was that Council didn't get to vote on the process. On HOW this would work.

So then I said it's not as straightforward or as EASY as just looking at who voted for the terrible plan and voting against them, since none of them voted on the plan.

And THEN I said--- the role of Council people in this case would be asking them, as citizens of Lakewood who are supposed to be represented by them, and I quote myself from above: "...why they didn't step in and protect their constituents more from this situation."

And THEN I said-- we should all ask the candidates running for Council what they think of this plan and what they intend to do about it, before we vote.

Not really seeing a "new" Betsy here.

You need to find out who represents you, in your ward, in my ward, Ward 2-- my Councilman is running for the At Large position. He represents a ward right now that will be the most tortured by this garbage thing--- but people all over Lakewood will be tortured by this as well-- ask him. His name is Tom Bullock, ask him what he will do to help the people whose time and peace is shattered once a week by this plan.

And then ask one of the non-incumbents, Sam O'Leary for example. He seems to have a lot of energy.

What are the issues, who are your representatives, HOW are they representing YOU and your family?

And then you vote.

It's not rocket surgery, but you do have to know what's going on, which isn't always that easy to find out, and once you do, you usually have to track down your representative (unless he's proactive, like David Anderson) to find out what his or her position is, and why, and whether you feel that that position represents you and your family.

It's not really radical. It's just making the time and effort to BE a citizen.

Betsy Voinovich

You know that I love you, Betsy. I really do!

I just don’t know exactly what direction you are going in the above post.

I'm assuming that you are giving me a civics lesson of some sort.

I'm also sticking by my belief that elections have consequences.

If you are “kool” with what is going on in City Hall, I suppose the consequences of the last few elections “aid” you.





Matt