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Sean Wheeler wrote:I've been watching this thread for days and this has really degenerated into the worst kind of discussion that can happen on the deck. Between this tit-for-tat, which has included photos of the president walking over the graves of soldiers, as well as charges of racism and demands for apologies here and elsewhere, I'd like to remind everyone flaming-out that it looks really bad all around. I don't post on this part of the deck often because I think it's best that I don't engage in public political forums as a city employee. But watching what has happened on this side of the deck lately makes me question what value the whole conversation has in the first place. Is Benghazi an issue? Sure. Whether or not it means anything in the larger context of politics is worth considering, but as long as people are talking about it, as evidenced here, it is an issue. But for the good of the intelligent conversation that usually pervades our discussions, and sure there have been other examples of the degenerative impulse of heated debate, I'd just like to say that this whole side of the deck could use some perspective. IMHO.
Eisel, is Eisel, a hardcore Republican/Tea Bag pot stirrer of the highest order who hides under the cloak of "independent."
You talk the talk but you rarely walk the walk...All people are equal. It is only by their words and deeds do they start to become good or bad. It is not based on color, religion, gender, or place in life.
Stephen Eisel wrote:Kate, Stephen
I know you realize Obama is black, the first thing you probably noticed.When it comes from people that demanded respect for the office of the presidency, but not need to roast the black man, is disgusting.
The only person pointing out color or race in this thread is you Jim.. Do you have a problem with race?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... e%20baiter
race baiterOne who insinuates that racism or bigotry is a dominant factor with regards to an event that either does not involve race or in which diverse cultures are involved are simply a minor element.
Not race baiting (race was a primary factor): The U.S. Civil War was fought by white supremacists who wanted to maintain slavery.
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Not race baiting (statement of facts): A white kid and a black kid got into a fight at school today.
Race baiter (insinuating race): A person of color was abused by a white at school today, just another day in the U.S. of K.K.K.A.
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Not race baiting: When the Europeans came to America, vast differences in culture led to numerous conflicts with Native Americans on a broad number of issues, most of which the Europeans won.
Race baiter: When the pilgrims landed, they proceeded to exterminate the defenseless Indians from the land.
(to keep Gary interested)Al Sharpton wrote: So do you hate Democratic Presidents? Black Presidents? Democratic Black Presidents? or
what is your core dislike of EVERYTHING Obama does?
Dave Duke wrote: Let's take a look at the harm done by the non-businessman president / community organizer. Canddidate Obama in 2008 promised to cut the National Debt in half. Instead of cutting the National Debt in half, he increased it by over $6 Trillion in under 4 years. Candidate Obama promised us low unemployment. Instead , high unemployment has become the norm. He promised not raise taxes. So, he gave us a healthcare tax that will cost this country about 800,000 jobs according to the CBO... and cost the uninsured poor people of this country more money in the form of a tax (penalty)... Obamacare doesn't provide health insurance. It just provides another revenue stream for the government.
But what I think is really, really obvious is that you want there to be a scandal about Benghazi. Stephen, I think you are excited about the prospect of a scandal, because it will confirm what you are already believe about our President, regardless of what the truth is about a murky situation that probably amounts to some ass-covering by forces on the ground that were responsible for preventing this kind of attack.
What follows is a timeline of events that we hope will help put the incident into perspective. We call attention in particular to these key facts:
■There were no protesters at the Benghazi consulate prior to the attack, even though Obama and others repeatedly said the attackers joined an angry mob that had formed in opposition to the anti-Muslim film that had triggered protests in Egypt and elsewhere. The State Department disclosed this fact Oct. 9 — nearly a month after the attack.
■Libya President Mohamed Magariaf insisted on Sept. 16 — five days after the attack — that it was a planned terrorist attack, but administration officials continued for days later to say there was no evidence of a planned attack.
■Magariaf also said the idea that the attack was a “spontaneous protest that just spun out of control is completely unfounded and preposterous.” This, too, was on Sept. 16. Yet, Obama and others continued to describe the incident in exactly those terms — including during the president’s Sept. 18 appearance on the “Late Show With David Letterman.”
■Matt Olsen, director of the National Counterterrorism Center, was the first administration official to call it “a terrorist attack” during a Sept. 19 congressional hearing. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did the same on Sept. 20. Even so, Obama declined opportunities to call it a terrorist attack when asked at a town hall meeting on Sept. 20 and during a taping of “The View” on Sept. 24.
Refuting the Defense Secretary Leon Panetta's claim yesterday that there simply wasn't enough information to responsibly deploy forces to Libya at the time of the attack, sources on the ground claim that communication was open throughout the attack.
Indeed, one member of the CIA team who was on the roof of the annex was in possession of a laser to guide aerial targets including drones and repeatedly requested backup from a Specter gunship to take out an attacker firing mortars.
According to sources familiar with the situation, the operative had visual contact with the Libyan mortar team and in addition was able to pinpoint positions from where the consulate attackers were firing from.
An independent review of the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi cites "systemic failures and leadership and management deficiencies" at high levels of the State Department.
The review also concluded that "there was no protest prior to the attacks."
U.S. Ambassador to Libya J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were killed in the September 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya.
Statements by U.S. officials after the attack sparked political debate over whether the Obama administration has been forthcoming about its understanding of events.
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