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Re: Hilliard/Westwood Theater

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Jim O'Bryan wrote:However I would hate to see a good waste of energy and resources ruined by Bill and I recalling the past, and what might have been before the Observer.



Oh, no, this is great stuff.

The Deck needs more of Bill Call.

To keep the spirit of this thread alive, the Bill Call versus Jim O'Bryan debates are like movies that keep running on endless loops with the same ending.

Bill Call says, "X."

Jim O'Bryan says, "Y."

Carry on.


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Re: Hilliard/Westwood Theater

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Matthew John Markling wrote:Journalism in the ‘Wood may not be dead after all.


If a piece of ('W)wood falls in an empty theater, does it make a sound?

Jim O'Bryan wrote:It is hard for a volunteer citizen run effort to keep up with a multi-national, multi-billion dollar company willing to lose $647 million dollars to date to put home grown local community groups out of business so they can monetize the news.


Goes to show there's a LOT of money out there, but it's increasingly sequestered into larger and larger and tighter and tighter bundles. Not that this skewing hasn't always been true to a large extent. But the old patrician industrialists were more inclined towards civic pride and building things that were the best they could achieve. A little Noblesse Oblige goes a long way. Thus Cleveland has the group plan, public square and the terminal; the county has the metropark system and the metrohealth system. And Lakewood benefitted with extraordinarily well built early 20th century edifices along Detroit and the Lakeshore, but also including a certain Hilliard Theater.

Excellence mattered. We've been living on and spending that capital for nearly a century now, and mindlessly destroying that legacy for "economic" expedience.

IMO, Noblesse Oblige died with the industrialists who actually ran businesses that made things of core value and lead communities. The last hoorah for them was when their surviving (and socially connected) spouses came together to form the Downtown Restoration Society in 1972, to provide stewardship over the culturally significant built environment.

This included a certain little grouping of Old Obsolete Derelict Dilapidated and "Structurally Unsound" Theaters that had collapsed roofs and water damage. They were deemed to have "No Functional Future." Funny. A silly group of people decided that such venues, the best our built environment has ever had to offer would be the key to clawing back some of the Strength of Community being lost to outmigration from urban sprawl. They figured a bunch of restaurants were not a cultural draw and a viable community in and of themselves.

And the nature of those edifices were the drawing card, just as the architecture and construction quality had driven almost all gentrification in the U.S. They understood this. They were patronizingly accused of living in the past and nothing could be further from the truth. They also wanted to leave a legacy that reflected their values and the values of those who would see fit to build those places the way they did. And they did so in such a way that the next generation could pick up their torch; that there was something there to pick up that torch for.

So Noblesse Oblige is dead. The new wealthy don't seem to share those values at all. I've asked, "Are we so poor a city that we can't allocate a few resources to buildings like this? Are we so poor a culture not to recognize the intrinsic value in edifices like that that will never be replicated?"

Spinoza said about 600 years ago that "All things excellent are as difficult to achieve as they are rare."

Goethe said, "Excellence is rarely found, more rarely valued."

I'm afraid I now know the answer to my no-so-rhetorical questions.

I understand there's little point in fighting it (demolition) if absolutely no one in Lakewood cares about these things and those who do pound their head against the wall every day. Oh, those who "will not see."

I'm speaking now because I would regret not having put forth a final effort here before the monsters of destruction get their way. "Speak now or forever hold your peace," as they say.

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Re: Hilliard/Westwood Theater

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Again a tale of two cities. Parma/Lakewood.

Parma was about to lose the sister theater to the Detroit Theater. They formed "Friends of
Parma Theater" and started raising money and awareness. They formed a partnership with
City Hall and with the growing number of people signing on to save it, it would appear there
is a shot. When Parma Council President Sean Brennan was in town for lunch at the Root
Café he made mention that perhaps it could be the cornerstone in an art community they
are trying to get started and the city would help put a package together.

When the fire was hit from a suspicious fire in the spring, Friends of Parma Theater dug in,
and the city dug in with them on saving it.

Now here is the difference. Parma 25 miles, with lots of space, and more money. Parma
Theater has parking, and is still water tight.

The thing this city/residents need to do is get ahead of these things. By the time most of
this stuff hits the news or discussion it is already a dead topic.

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Re: Hilliard/Westwood Theater

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at some point, if it is obsolete as a theatre...
it may be possible to just turn it into some third or fourth mansion for Russian Oligarchs with money to throw around. Or a primary mansion for third rate Russian Oligarchs or their Kids with money to throw around. it is a re-zoning issue. the apartments are room for their servants and functionaries. It might be necessary for them to purchase and demolish adjacent residences. to turn into parking lots and garages and personal garden courtyards. but...there is nothing wrong with that. It is okay. the Russian weather is way worse than here.
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Re: Hilliard/Westwood Theater

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ryan costa wrote:It might be necessary for them to purchase and demolish adjacent residences. to turn into parking lots and garages and personal garden courtyards. but...there is nothing wrong with that. It is okay. the Russian weather is way worse than here.


As long as it's got steam heat, I don't care. :mrgreen:
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Re: Hilliard/Westwood Theater

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I have been reading Detective Novels. Back To Blood. Inspector Rebus. It is popular for the new Russian Oligarchs to wind up owning expensive homes and apartments. They can't all go to New York or Miami. and there is almost never a following of Russian Organized Crime. A popular marketing campaign will be, "Northern Ohio...the weather is still not as bad as Russia".
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Re: Hilliard/Westwood Theater

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Well with the Hillard Westwood Theater days away from being taken down, there appears
to be at least two builders trying to buy up property in the triangle for a "project." Both the
owners of the Silver Coast and the Eye Doctors have mentioned interest.

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My question would be, why is the city or the county paying for the tear down if a project is
already being planned for the space. Is this another property grab, where a local business
owner is forced out for better tenants?

Another best taco bell?

Stay tuned.

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Re: Hilliard/Westwood Theater

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Jim, do you know something we don't?
One thing to remember, the cost of demolition will be born by the current owner. Another thing to remember, the present owner took his last dollar to buy the place to prevent it from being torn down. In some circles he was demonized for "letting the building deteriorate". The building was in rough shape before he bought it. According to someone who visited the place before Bob bought it the in the late 90's, there were mushrooms growing on the carpet in the aisles, and there was literally a fog in the auditorium. After a rain, this created a kind of an "Alice in Wonderland" quality to the interior. Maintenance had been long ignored by previous owners. Bob, the owner, spent thousands of dollars a year to try and stabilize the building. If he is guilty of anything, it is of being too idealistic.
If it is ordered that this building be demolished, we will lose the most beautiful interior ever built in Lakewood. And it cannot be replaced. That is one important thing to be remembered.
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Re: Hilliard/Westwood Theater

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Michael Loje wrote:If it is ordered that this building be demolished, we will lose the most beautiful interior ever built in Lakewood. And it cannot be replaced. That is one important thing to be remembered.


Mike

It has not been the most beautiful interior built in Lakewood for some time, and it is not the last
theater in Lakewood, though Lakewood has been pushing to tear that one down too since Ed
FitzGerald decided it has to go, and his flying monkeys still hold that chant to be true.

AND it is historically significant!

The owner of the Westwood would do well to talk with neighbors about who is offering money for
their property on the speculation that the theater comes down.

Someone is sticking it to him good would be my thought, and I cannot see anyone buying property
for a large project without the boys in the basement knowing something about it. Or simply go
through a list of underwhelming ideas and businesses for Lakewood and I am sure it is there about
to be tweeted as a massive success for all of Lakewood and the county, as they build their run for
something twitter emails lists.

I am sure the "General" knows something.

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