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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:21 pm
by David Lay
This photo I shot says it all:


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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:26 pm
by Dave Sharosky
Ryan Salo wrote:
Dave Sharosky wrote:The Lakewood Police did a great job reacting to the situation. The levy that everyone is debating and discussing is about helping the police become more proactive in stopping future disturbances.
Dave,

Can you please let me know how a police levy would prevent something like this from happening? The man that shot Shawn did not live in Lakewood and Shawn was a law abiding citizen.

Are you talking about buying technology similar to the Tom Cruise movie "Minority Report"? :)

Ryan,

I wasn't talking about this event specifically in stating police being proactive over reactive. I was responding to the earlier quote when Mr. Scott stated, "Or maybe I am the only one thinking that if the police did such a great job, and where there so quickly - why do we even thing of an additional levy." First off, I was commending the police on their quick response and decisive actions. A lot of communities are lacking this or do not have the same swift response times. The levy is a much broader issue. It should not be lumped into one comment about one situation. It's great to have good police, as I will commend them every time, but I feel and others do that there's a need to have a serious discussion about increasing police presence and manpower.

Ryan, either I wasn't clear or you misunderstood what I was trying to convey. I apologize if I wasn't clear. Obviously, there's was no way to predict or foresee that individual would have used a weapon. Domestic violence, as any officer will tell you, is one of the toughest situations to deal with. Emotion that takes over common sense, reasoning and most functional thought processes.

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:33 pm
by Ivor Karabatkovic
and I can understand both sides of the police levy talk.

The community would benefit GREATLY with a police levy, new equipment, communication etc.

But, I do not feel less safer without the police levy at this very moment.

I don't think that the police levy would hurt one bit. If only it was marketed along with the new schools and so on, because people sneak into lakewood city schools with fake addresses all the time. It's been happening since I moved here in the 4th grade.

It would be a great selling point, and it would help our homeowners and landlords.

And let me add.... I know McDonalds is a business and needs to be open so it can pay the bills. But, couldn't they have waited a day out of respect for families and workers? I found that bizarre.
I found that bizarre as well. My friends were up there this morning and had lunch next to the bullet holes in the window. They said it seemed like this event (yesterday) never happened, and everyone was eating normally and smiling and working hard.

I couldn't do that.

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:38 pm
by Lynn Farris
When Don and I heard there was a shooting of a young man at McDonald's, Don said I hope it isn't that nice kid that always waits on us a the Drive-thru. Unfortunately it was. We really didn't know Sean, except when we went there to get something. He was always so pleasant and smiling. He told us stories about baseball, a sport he seemed to love.

This tragedy really bothers me. I'm sure when he woke up Saturday morning, he didn't realize it would be his last day on earth and I sure his mother expected that she would see him again. He was so young and I'm sure everyone thought he would live to a ripe old age.

It made me think about how fragile life is and how much we need to appreciate each other and do good every day. I called my children immediately and told them how much I loved them.

This story is just full of tragedy. Sean and his family, his girlfriend, her baby and her family and even the shooter and his family. Seems like there is way too much hurt in the world.

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:52 pm
by Ivor Karabatkovic
I would always see Sean at jacobs field when working there. I'd always give him a seat in my section if it was better than where he was sitting.

He was a nice guy. We'd talk for the whole game sometimes and we have exchanged many conversations over the past two years. I actually met him at a football game once when I took a photo of him playing in the alumni marching band. He was so ecstatic to find out that it was going to appear on the LO website that he called his friends on his cellphone on the spot.

it's too tragic. I didn't realize who the victim was until I read Lynn's post over again. Wow.

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:35 pm
by David Lay
New information on the PD's website:

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/07 ... tered.html

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:56 am
by Dee Martinez
Jim O'Bryan wrote: Compare that with the civic journalist who writes about where he or she is passionate about, care about, take part in and put forward. I have found you get a better story, deeper story, and a friendly story. when you can add in that you might know the writer, it brings it home all the more.



FWIW
As the devils advocate, I would point out that the qualities you describe above are exactly what a professionally trained journalist is supposed to AVOID. Im not sure when I open the NY Times that I want to read a story by a reporter is is "passionate" about the war, pro or con. I certainly wouldnt want that reporter "taking part in" the story.
As you can see its not a one-sided issue.

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:35 am
by Tim Carroll
While everyone is discussing about editorial content, perhaps Mr. Salo you would be kind enough to let the rest of us know about how we can help the victim's family.

Please Messrs. Austin, O'Bryan and Scott (as well as others) perhaps your discussion although relevant but pales in comparison to what transpired on Saturday, would be better served either in another thread or in emails, phone calls etc.

I think those who knew the victim, would like to write or read about the young man without having to sift through the editorial issues.

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:18 am
by Bret Callentine
would be kind enough to let the rest of us know about how we can help the victim's family.
I second that request.

Was the account ever set up at First Federal of Lakewood?

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:51 am
by Ryan Salo
Donations can be made to the Robert Shawn Joslin Memorial Fund at First Federal of Lakewood. Any donations will be greatly appreciated.

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:53 am
by Jeff Endress
Ryan

Thanks for the update. I'm sure that Lakewood will respond.

Jeff

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:06 pm
by Joe Ott
Thanks Ryan.

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:11 pm
by Jim O'Bryan
Just back from the arraignment.

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Nathaniel Williams of Cleveland was charged with aggravated murder, and place on $2 million dollar bond.

The Joslin family was shocked and afraid that Williams might make bail.

After a discussion with Brian Corrigan and the prosecutor, it was underlined that the bond was $2,000,000 cash bond for aggravated murder and they had never know anyone to make that bail.

This was temporary as bail will be reset by the county.

After speaking with the family, funeral arrangements have not been set, as they are desperately in need of funds for the funeral.

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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:08 pm
by Ivor Karabatkovic
I don't see why McDonalds cannot take care of the funeral arrangements since it happened at work. It's unfortunate that anyone has to have struggles like this.

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:29 pm
by Jeff Endress
Ivor
I don't see why McDonalds cannot take care of the funeral arrangements
That would be a standup thing to do. It isn't the McDonald franchisee's fault, but I would think that a phone call to Oak Brook and Corporate HQ could shake out enough to provide a decent funeral.....

Jeff