Gay Pride Week?

[Ryan Salo]

Beajay,

I really do think that way. There is a ton of research, that is being ignored by most media and downplayed by most gay activist, that points to environmental/psychological CAUSES for homosexual behavior and tendencies. I do not have a problem with people being attracted to the same sex, the problem I have is when they act on it and then ask society as a whole to welcome this behavior with open arms.

I agree that there are other issues to get involved with, and I am. I just wanted to have this public discussion so people can hear both sides, since it seems like only one side is presented in most places.

Lynn,

this is the definition of homosexual - someone who practices homosexuality; having a sexual attraction to persons of the same sex.

Male on male attraction isn't gay if the one male is a 12 year old? I know that a lot of gays don't condone this, but isn't it still gay?

[sharon kinsella]

No it is not gay.

Child abuse is not gay.

Older man - young girl, not gay - not heterosexual.

Psychiatric illness.

Period.

[Ryan Salo]

That is interesting. That is exactly what homosexual behavior was classified as until recently. How can you say a 14yr old boy shouldn't be able to have a sexual relationship with a twenty something yr old man? Or are you for that and just not a 20 something your old and an 8 yr old? Where is the line? ACLU is trying to fight against the 18yr old label most states have. Where do you think it should be, and why?

Thanks

[dl meckes]

I am fairly comfortable that the following citation of Ohio code is correct:

§ 2907.04. Unlawful sexual conduct with minor.

(A) No person who is eighteen years of age or older shall engage in sexual conduct with another, who is not the spouse of the offender, when the offender knows the other person is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age, or the offender is reckless in that regard.

(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of unlawful sexual conduct with a minor.

(1) Except as otherwise provided in divisions (B)(2), (3), and (4) of this section, unlawful sexual conduct with a minor is a felony of the fourth degree.

(2) Except as otherwise provided in division (B)(4) of this section, if the offender is less than four years older than the other person, unlawful sexual conduct with a minor is a misdemeanor of the first degree.

(3) Except as otherwise provided in division (B)(4) of this section, if the offender is ten or more years older than the other person, unlawful sexual conduct with a minor is a felony of the third degree.

(4) If the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of section 2907.02, 2907.03, or 2907.04 of the Revised Code or a violation of former section 2907.12 of the Revised Code, unlawful sexual conduct with a minor is a felony of the second degree.

§ 2907.06. Sexual imposition.

(A) No person shall have sexual contact with another, not the spouse of the offender; cause another, not the spouse of the offender, to have sexual contact with the offender; or cause two or more other persons to have sexual contact when any of the following applies:

(1) The offender knows that the sexual contact is offensive to the other person, or one of the other persons, or is reckless in that regard.

(2) The offender knows that the other person's, or one of the other person's, ability to appraise the nature of or control the offender's or touching person's conduct is substantially impaired.

(3) The offender knows that the other person, or one of the other persons, submits because of being unaware of the sexual contact.

(4) The other person, or one of the other persons, is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age, whether or not the offender knows the age of such person, and the offender is at least eighteen years of age and four or more years older than such other person.

(5) The offender is a mental health professional, the other person or one of the other persons is a mental health client or patient of the offender, and the offender induces the other person who is the client or patient to submit by falsely representing to the other person who is the client or patient that the sexual contact is necessary for mental health treatment purposes.

(B) No person shall be convicted of a violation of this section solely upon the victim's testimony unsupported by other evidence.

(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of sexual imposition, a misdemeanor of the third degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of a violation of this section or of section 2907.02, 2907.03, 2907.04, 2907.05, or 2907.12Ã… of the Revised Code, a violation of this section is a misdemeanor of the first degree.

§ 2907.07. Importuning.

(A) No person shall solicit a person who is less than thirteen years of age to engage in sexual activity with the offender, whether or not the offender knows the age of such person.

(B) No person shall solicit another, not the spouse of the offender, to engage in sexual conduct with the offender, when the offender is eighteen years of age or older and four or more years older than the other person, and the other person is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age, whether or not the offender knows the age of the other person.

(C) No person shall solicit another by means of a telecommunications device, as defined in section 2913.01 of the Revised Code, to engage in sexual activity with the offender when the offender is eighteen years of age or older and either of the following applies:

(1) The other person is less than thirteen years of age, and the offender knows that the other person is less than thirteen years of age or is reckless in that regard.

(2) The other person is a law enforcement officer posing as a person who is less than thirteen years of age, and the offender believes that the other person is less than thirteen years of age or is reckless in that regard.

(D) No person shall solicit another by means of a telecommunications device, as defined in section 2913.01 of the Revised Code, to engage in sexual activity with the offender when the offender is eighteen years of age or older and either of the following applies:

(1) The other person is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age, the offender knows that the other person is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age or is reckless in that regard, and the offender is four or more years older than the other person.

(2) The other person is a law enforcement officer posing as a person who is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age, the offender believes that the other person is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age or is reckless in that regard, and the offender is four or more years older than the age the law enforcement officer assumes in posing as the person who is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age.

(E) Divisions (C) and (D) of this section apply to any solicitation that is contained in a transmission via a telecommunications device that either originates in this state or is received in this state.

(F) Whoever violates this section is guilty of importuning. A violation of division (A) or (C) of this section is a felony of the fourth degree on a first offense and a felony of the third degree on each subsequent offense. A violation of division (B) or (D) of this section is a felony of the fifth degree on a first offense and a felony of the fourth degree on each subsequent offense.

(Edited to fix the quote box)

[sharon kinsella]

dlmeckes-

Thank you!

[Ryan Salo]

So at what point, in your opinion sharon, is it homosexual behavior and not a psychological problem that is curable?

[sharon kinsella]

Ryan -

Two consenting adults for gay - two consenting adults for straight.

[dl meckes]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_exod.htm

[Ryan Salo]

Sharon, I don't mean to pressure you too hard on this, but I would like an age where it becomes homosexual behavior, in your opinion. a 20yr old and a 16yr old?

[sharon kinsella]

Ryan -

Far be it from me to tell anyone when to have consensual sex, however, as long as it involves two consenting individuals - hopefully of legal age - which in ohio is 18.

I also believe it needs to be the same for heterosexual and homosexual.

[Bryan Schwegler]

I do not have a problem with people being attracted to the same sex, the problem I have is when they act on it and then ask society as a whole to welcome this behavior with open arms.

No, I don't think we're asking that is welcomed by all, just that you provide the same civil rights and respect that you yourself would expect.

You don't need to welcome it or like it, you just need to understand that even people with different views than you deserve the same respect you feel you deserve.

It's similar to how I do not in any way welcome or accept your beliefs on this matter, but I'm never going to go about trying to take away your right to believe them. Unfortunately the courtesy does not seem to flow both ways.

[Bryan Schwegler]

ACLU is trying to fight against the 18yr old label most states have. Where do you think it should be, and why?

Thanks

Actually Ryan, the age of consent in almost all states is less than 18 and has been for probably the entire time they've existed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_co ... th_America

You'll see that in Ohio it's 16 with the only prohibition being School teachers or staff. So I'm curious how the ACLU is fighting for something that already exists?

Unfortunately I think this is just another example of the twisted facts and bad statistics that you've been sharing in this thread.

Just to clarify as I'm sure someone will try to twist my post as to supporting pedophiles since that's apparently what gay people are about to them....I'm simply pointing out the factual error in Ryan's post, not condoning child-adult sexual practices.

[ryan costa]

The pedophile issue seems unrelated to the gay rights/parade issue.

My step-grandfather got out of the navy after WWII and married a 13 year old. I don't see anything intrinsically immoral with that, everything I know about her today means she's a decent enough person and was probably smarter back then than the average cleveland high school graduate today.

my cousin was arrested for taking his girlfriend across state lines. he was 18 or 19 or 20, and she was a bit under 18. They threw him in prison and he had to register as a sex offender.

Paul McCartney was banging the maid when he was 14. I can't say there's anything criminally wrong with that: I would have loved to bang Yasmine Bleeth when I was 14.

An episode of Northern Exposure covered this pretty well: most of us don't want to know about the sex lives of straight people we know. Why this interest in the sex lives of gays?

The law is dumb. Or maybe the judges and juries are dumb. and the prosecutors offices too. Maybe we should have an Expensive, Obtuse, and damaging legal system pride parade.

[Ryan Salo]

Whatever the age is it is. You can fight me on minor details or you can address the real issues. My concern was that according to sharron, at some point it goes from a psychological disorder to a natural way of life. I just wanted more clarification on how that works.

[ryan costa]

Whatever the age is it is. You can fight me on minor details or you can address the real issues. My concern was that according to sharron, at some point it goes from a psychological disorder to a natural way of life. I just wanted more clarification on how that works.

One day Abraham was taking a break from banging all these chicks god told him to procreate with, and God told him to kill his son Isaac. Abraham really didn't want to, but he kept hearing God tell him to kill Isaac. Finally Abraham was about to knife Isaac up, and God said, "It is ok. You don't have to knife Isaac up." It is a good thing there was no psychology back then....