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Re: No First Energy discussion?

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:39 pm
by Christopher Bindel
Ryan,

Ha, its fitting that you picked that picture, because that is about what my living room looks like with the 23W CFLs (supposedly 100W equivalent Bulbs). All dark with just a few light spots. But that's what you get with lamps rather then overhead lighting.

Re: No First Energy discussion?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:24 am
by Heather Ramsey
Christopher Bindel wrote:Ryan,

Ha, its fitting that you picked that picture, because that is about what my living room looks like with the 23W CFLs (supposedly 100W equivalent Bulbs). All dark with just a few light spots. But that's what you get with lamps rather then overhead lighting.


I think the lamp vs. overhead thing is your real problem, or at least making it worse - I have one of those CFLs in my bedroom fixture and it's just fine, but in the living room without a ceiling fixture I need my lamp that lights up to 5 of them depending on the setting (It's one of those lamps with the flexible arms that can light from 1-5 (or 6?) bulbs and point whichever direction(s) you want. I think some versions of it are like $20 or $30 at Target).

Re: No First Energy discussion?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:56 am
by Christopher Bindel
Heather,

The lamp as apposed to over head lighting is defiantly part of the problem, but not all of it. I literally had a 100w in my one lamp, we took it out and imitatively put the 23W CFL, which is supposed to produce the same amount of light, right in and turned it on and it was noticeably dimmer. By a lot. So there defiantly is a problem there which isn't helping any. I want to use CFL's but I also don't want to be in the dark. I don't have a lot of money right now, so I cant really shop around to see if I can find one that is bright enough. Its just kind of frustrating to spend that kind of money on one light bulb and have it not deliver.

Re: No First Energy discussion?

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:28 pm
by Charlie Page
The Sunday PD said First Energy will be charging $21.60 for the two free bulbs :?

Re: No First Energy discussion?

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:48 pm
by Dee Krupp
Charlie Page wrote:The Sunday PD said First Energy will be charging $21.60 for the two free bulbs :?


And THAT Brad is what all the fuss is about. We can go out and buy our own two bulbs for a h*ll of a lot less.

Re: No First Energy discussion?

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:52 am
by Roy Pitchford
Dee Krupp wrote:
Charlie Page wrote:The Sunday PD said First Energy will be charging $21.60 for the two free bulbs :?


And THAT Brad is what all the fuss is about. We can go out and buy our own two bulbs for a h*ll of a lot less.

Or, perhaps, there are those of us that simply do not want them.

Re: No First Energy discussion?

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:08 am
by Jim DeVito
Roy Pitchford wrote:
Dee Krupp wrote:
Charlie Page wrote:The Sunday PD said First Energy will be charging $21.60 for the two free bulbs :?


And THAT Brad is what all the fuss is about. We can go out and buy our own two bulbs for a h*ll of a lot less.

Or, perhaps, there are those of us that simply do not want them.


Well that is just silly. ;-) I'll be back I have to dump all my used oil down the sewer. ;-)

Re: No First Energy discussion?

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:58 pm
by Charlie Page
I like the CFLs. I understand what Chris Bindel is talking about with the lack of brightness and it seems like they need 10 seconds or so to get to full brightness but I still like them. And they last a heck of a long time. We’ve had some close to 2 years now.

Re: No First Energy discussion?

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:51 pm
by Roy Pitchford
Jim DeVito wrote:
Roy Pitchford wrote:Or, perhaps, there are those of us that simply do not want them.


Well that is just silly. ;-) I'll be back I have to dump all my used oil down the sewer. ;-)

http://www.energystar.gov/ia/products/lighting/cfls/downloads/CFL_Cleanup_and_Disposal.pdf
How should I clean up a broken fluorescent bulb?
Because CFLs contain a small amount of mercury, EPA recommends the following clean-up and disposal guidelines:

1. Before Clean-up: Air Out the Room
- Have people and pets leave the room, and don't let anyone walk through the breakage area on their way out.
- Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.
- Shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system, if you have one.

2. Clean-Up Steps for Hard Surfaces
- Carefully scoop up glass fragments and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
- Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass pieces and powder.
- Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place towels in the glass jar or plastic bag.
- Do not use a vacuum or broom to clean up the broken bulb on hard surfaces.

3. Clean-up Steps for Carpeting or Rug:
- Carefully pick up glass fragments and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
- Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.
- If vacuuming is needed after all visible materials are removed, vacuum the area where the bulb was broken.
- Remove the vacuum bag (or empty and wipe the canister), and put the bag or vacuum debris in a sealed plastic bag.

4. Clean-up Steps for Clothing, Bedding, etc.:
- If clothing or bedding materials come in direct contact with broken glass or mercury-containing powder from inside the bulb that may stick to the fabric, the clothing or bedding should be thrown away. Do not wash such clothing or bedding because mercury fragments in the clothing may contaminate the machine and/or pollute sewage.
- You can, however, wash clothing or other materials that have been exposed to the mercury vapor from a broken CFL, such as the clothing you are wearing when you cleaned up the broken CFL, as long as that clothing has not come into direct contact with the materials from the broken bulb.
- If shoes come into direct contact with broken glass or mercury-containing powder from the bulb, wipe them off with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place the towels or wipes in a glass jar or plastic bag for disposal.

5. Disposal of Clean-up Materials
- Immediately place all clean-up materials outdoors in a trash container or protected area for the next normal trash pickup.
- Wash your hands after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing clean-up materials.
- Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your specific area. Some states do not allow such trash disposal. Instead, they require that broken and unbroken mercury-containing bulbs be taken to a local recycling center.
6. Future Cleaning of Carpeting or Rug: Air Out the Room During and After Vacuuming
- The next several times you vacuum, shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system and open a window before vacuuming.
- Keep the central heating/air conditioning system shut off and the window open for at least 15 minutes after vacuuming is completed.


CFLs are also made in China, not in the U.S. The government is increasing the trade deficit and putting good Americans out of work.

Re: No First Energy discussion?

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:52 pm
by Jim DeVito
John Smith started the day early having set his alarm clock

(MADE IN JAPAN ) for 6 am

While his coffeepot

(MADE IN CHINA )

was perking, he shaved with his

electric razor

(MADE IN HONG KONG )

He put on a

dress shirt

(MADE IN SRI LANKA ),

designer jeans

(MADE IN SINGAPORE )

and

tennis shoes

(MADE IN KOREA)

After cooking his breakfast in his new

electric skillet

(MADE IN INDIA )

he sat down with his

calculator

(MADE IN MEXICO )

to see how much he could spend today. After setting his

watch

(MADE IN TAIWAN )

to the radio

(MADE IN INDIA )

he got in his car

(MADE IN GERMANY )

filled it with GAS

(from Saudi Arabia )

and continued his search

for a good paying AMERICAN JOB.

At the end of yet another discouraging

and fruitless day

checking his

Computer

(made in MALAYSIA ),

John decided to relax for a while.

He put on his sandals

(MADE IN BRAZIL ),

poured himself a glass of

wine

(MADE IN FRANCE )

and turned on his

TV

(MADE IN INDONESIA ),

and then wondered why he can’t

find a good paying job

in AMERICA

Re: No First Energy discussion?

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:30 pm
by Roy Pitchford
That would have been a little easier to read, Jim, if you hadn't directly copy-and-pasted it directly from any number of blogs. You could have edited it a little.

If he hasn't got a job, why does he have designer jeans, french wine and a german-made car? Mr. Smith should cut back on his spending like a responsible person so his money can last a little longer.

BTW: You're deflecting from the main topic just a little.

Re: No First Energy discussion?

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:40 pm
by Jim DeVito
Roy, I did see it and I did copy and paste it. I thought it was a fun way to illustrate why the "made in america" no longer works. Turn over the computer you are using to type right now. Where is it made? My lenovo was made in China. I did prefer when the thinkpad brand was still owned by IBM. They were made in Mexico and of better quality.

I thought the topic is over. However just to clear up my position on it... I think it is a stupid money grab. FE saw an opportunity to "look" green while using the windfall "... you can recoup profits" BS to make a boat load of money. If they really had the best interest of the environment and the public in mind they would give the bulbs away at face value. Or sure make 5 bucks off it, not 20.

Right so where does this stand. Are they still doing it? I had heard that the rate hike was not even reviewed by PUCO but it was left at that.