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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:58 am
by Stephen Eisel
The six men who actively and directly conspired and committed the 1993 bombing were all tried and are serving life sentences with no chance of parole.
7 men were indicted for the bombing of the WTC in 1993. Abdul Rahman Yasin (the main bomb maker)was released by our government and went back to Iraq. The handling of this incident by our government only encouraged terrorist world wide. Do you understand how a terrorist cell operates? It is obvious that the Clinton admin did not.




The constant refrain of "we haven't been attacked since 9/11" is a weak argument that supposes that there is only one means to the end, and that the ends justify the means.
If you ignore history, the bombing of the USS Cole, the bombing of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, the bombing of the US embassy in Beirut, the bomb that was exploded outiside the U.S. air force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, then you are correct. :roll:

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:06 am
by Stephen Eisel
The opinions of the right-wing lunatic quoted in the original post represent precisely the attitude that was repudiated in the polls this past November.
Thanks to President Bush, the issue of terrorism was not a major issue in the 2008 election.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:10 am
by Stephen Eisel
Our country has faced much deadlier enemies, much greater risk and never lost sight of what makes America the beacon of liberty and freedom for the world. There's nothing unique about the dangers that face us today that requires us to forego our national identity.


Have you ever had a reality check?

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:19 am
by Stephen Eisel
EDIT: Thanks to President Bush and our Brave Troops!

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:35 pm
by Jim DeVito
One could also make the argument that because of bush the issue of terrorisms will be more of an issue for many years to come.

I tend to believe that the so called war on terror has made us less safe. We have invaded two countries and relied on force to get our way. The conventional wisdom is that this has just produced more terrorists.

To the point that there have been no attacks since 911 is a load of crap. There have been plenty of attacks, Just not here on american soil. There is no need for evil doers to come attack us here, they have most of the us military to attack right in their own back yard.

While I will applaud or brave troops I have no respect for the fool who needlessly put them in harms way.

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:42 pm
by Stephen Eisel
To the point that there have been no attacks since 911 is a load of crap
It is a load of crap in your opinion because it validates the actions of the Bush admin. It is ok to be wrong. :wink:

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:51 pm
by Jim DeVito
Stephen Eisel wrote:
To the point that there have been no attacks since 911 is a load of crap
It is a load of crap in your opinion because it validates the actions of the Bush admin. It is ok to be wrong. :wink:


In fact none of it validates that actions of bush and pals. Iraq did not attack us. Afghanistan did not attack us. That is the whole point of terrorists, they have no state sponsor.

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:04 pm
by Stephen Eisel
Jim DeVito wrote:
Stephen Eisel wrote:
To the point that there have been no attacks since 911 is a load of crap
It is a load of crap in your opinion because it validates the actions of the Bush admin. It is ok to be wrong. :wink:


In fact none of it validates that actions of bush and pals. Iraq did not attack us. Afghanistan did not attack us. That is the whole point of terrorists, they have no state sponsor.
Let us get the facts straight on Afghanistan and Iraq. Iraq was under UN Resolution. Iraq failed to honor those UN resolutions and as result the US and 37 of its allies invaded Iraq. After 9-11, the war on terrorism began in Afghanistan. Afghanistan was the home of Osama bin Laden the head of Al Qaeda. It was Al Qaeda that attack the US 9-11.

8 times between the years 1993 - 2000, the US or US interest were attacked by terrorist groups from the Middle East. Since the beginning of the US war on terrorism, there has not been a single terrorst attack on the US. This is not a coincidence. The efforts of the US have paid off.


I love history!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJTzKPBQZ94

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_t ... +Iraq&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0f5u_0y ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVZlLBc ... re=related

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:06 pm
by Stephen Eisel
oops! sorry.. I did not proof read my post before hitting the submit option.

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:32 pm
by Lynn Farris
I too love history. Osama bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia. That is where he is from and where he made his money - or his dad made his money. He went to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan because he he was outraged about what they were doing there. We gave him money and weapons. We in effect put him in power. Then came Kuwait and our base in Saudi Arabia. Osama didn't like us in his home any more than he liked the Soviets in Afghanistan. If you look at the people involved in 9-11, the majority were Saudi's. The Saudi's have no rights for women. But the Bushes were in bed financially with them. Yes, Afghanistan had problems. The Taliban are crazy. Yes, they let the terrorists build camps there. The poor Afghan people are being brutalized from all sides, and it is moving into Pakistan. But they are being funded by the Saudis. They are the ones building the schools for terrorists.

Yes, Iraq ignored UN resolutions, it was part of the macho image they had. But they were going along some with some of them too. They weren't building weapons of mass destruction. Clearly, the sanctions were working. I bet if you ask an Iraqi citizen if they are better off now or before we invaded, they would have to say before even with a bad, horrible ruler.

I think we had a right to attack the terrorists camps in Afghanistan to go after Osama and the people who perpetrated 9/11. We have no business in Iraq.

On a flight recently I was beside a service man who was going to go build new bridges in Iraq. We asked him why they weren't building bridges in the US? We are putting our money into their infrastructure not ours. If we take out the moral element completely that we shouldn't be there. From strictly a financial point of view, Iraq is bankrupting our country and diverting attention from rebuilding our infrastructure.

The best thing we can do is to get out. We need to attend to things at home. Stopping dependancy on foreign oil is critical. If we want to help, we can offer diplomacy. Mitchell will be good.

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:43 am
by Stephen Eisel
I too love history. Osama bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia. That is where he is from and where he made his money - or his dad made his money. He went to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan because he he was outraged about what they were doing there. We gave him money and weapons.
The "Afghan Arabs" did not receive any U.S. funding during the war in Afghanistan according to Ayman al-Zawahiri (Al Qaeda's n# 2 man).

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:45 am
by Jim DeVito
Stephen Eisel wrote:
I too love history. Osama bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia. That is where he is from and where he made his money - or his dad made his money. He went to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan because he he was outraged about what they were doing there. We gave him money and weapons.
The "Afghan Arabs" did not receive any U.S. funding during the war in Afghanistan according to Ayman al-Zawahiri (Al Qaeda's n# 2 man).


Oh good so now you are taking al queda at their word. ;-)

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:55 am
by Stephen Eisel
Jim DeVito wrote:
Stephen Eisel wrote:
I too love history. Osama bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia. That is where he is from and where he made his money - or his dad made his money. He went to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan because he he was outraged about what they were doing there. We gave him money and weapons.
The "Afghan Arabs" did not receive any U.S. funding during the war in Afghanistan according to Ayman al-Zawahiri (Al Qaeda's n# 2 man).


Oh good so now you are taking al queda at their word. ;-)
Yeah, what was I thinking... Where is the liberal Kool-Aid?

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:05 pm
by Jim DeVito
Got a fresh batch brewing right now. What are you doing tonight. ;-)

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:34 pm
by Stephen Eisel
Jim DeVito wrote:Got a fresh batch brewing right now. What are you doing tonight. ;-)


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