The Observation Deck

Politicians and ‘civic leaders’ have lied to their constituents since the beginning of time. It’s not a right or left thing.

If everyone who lies is to be prosecuted, then by all means go after Bush and everyone else. Who would lead the charge to prosecute Bush? More circus style congressional hearings I suppose.

If these efforts detract from or prevent even one bailout hearing, it will be mission accomplished, at least from my point of view.

Charlie Page wrote:Politicians and ‘civic leaders’ have lied to their constituents since the beginning of time. It’s not a right or left thing.

If everyone who lies is to be prosecuted, then by all means go after Bush and everyone else. Who would lead the charge to prosecute Bush? More circus style congressional hearings I suppose.

If these efforts detract from or prevent even one bailout hearing, it will be mission accomplished, at least from my point of view.

Charlie

You were not on the deck during the Clinton trials.

Were they correct in doing that?

One of the problems in America today is, well they did it so...

We must hold politicans to a higher standard.

We are not talking of broken campaign promises, we are not even talking personal broken promises.

What you are advocating is the ability of politically elected officials to lie about anything.

That is an America I do not want to live in.

First time I have ever said anything even close to that.

Charlie, time to take America back.


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I didn’t realize that stating politicians lie is advocating that behavior. Let’s all say they don’t lie and the problem will go away?

Higher standard? It would be nice. Where and how do we start?

This is an America you don’t want to live in? You can’t be serious about that?!? I bet you wish you had the edit button for that comment.

Charlie Page wrote:I didn’t realize that stating politicians lie is advocating that behavior. Let’s all say they don’t lie and the problem will go away?

Higher standard? It would be nice. Where and how do we start?

This is an America you don’t want to live in? You can’t be serious about that?!? I bet you wish you had the edit button for that comment.

Charlie

If there is one thing I do not miss it is the edit button. I stand by my words, even the ones that are misspelled and misused.

Where we start is holding politicians accountable.

If we can hold one person accountable for a lying about adultry, how can we as Americans turn our back on lying about all of this other stuff? I mean there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that we were lied to about Iraq, the war, the tapping, and on and on and on. We can even prove it was all premeditated when the first thing GWB did was lock away all paperwork for 50 years after he dies.

For eight years I have read and listened to, "no connection with Haliburton," "no connection with the Saudis" "get over it" and on and on and on. Now it has become clear the entire process was deeply falwed and built on lies. Letting them just walk away is not helping anything. It will only make matters worse. While Slick Willey taught kids that adultry was cool, at least he was held accountable for lying. Are we really going to reward GWB for the mass murder, genocide, perverting of justice, and lies to the American public?

How does that help?

If we turn our back, and give up everything our forefathers fought and died for, that this is truly not the America I want to be part of.

Do you really believe that Americans died in WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Korea, and the Mid-East so that the government could tap our phones, make untold profits, and screw most of America over? Is this why they died.

Did my cousin die in Vietnam so that Nixon could get elected, and nothing else? For GWB to tap the phones of all Americans? Did he die fighting for tyranny or against it?

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I think what applies her is the good old standard slippery slope argument. If you let them get away with the warentless wiretapping what is next in the name of "keeping you safe" Is is ok for the NSA to starting going through you bank records because you might be giving money to terror. Is it ok for the government to start "tailing" your kids to school because they might be "palling around with terrorists kids". Where does the invasion of privacy by the government end.

You also have to ask yourself are you any safer now than you were before all this war on terror crap. Sure you could say there has not been another attack since 911. But does that mean that the man foiled any attack before it began. Or is it just that the terrorist need not come over to america to kill americans because we brought the americans to the terrorist.

Now on to weather or not bush co. should stand trial. Let us not forget that there is a league way to tap phones. It is called a FISA Warrant. Keeping in step with most of the bush years I am sure the FISA courts were stacked with loyal goons and would have handed warrants out to bush and co. like candy on Halloween. bush chose to not take the legal path and instead went around the courts and did whatever he pleased. And for that him and his henchmen should be prosecuted. Is that not one of the founding principles of america some sort of check on the presidents power. So he does not go around acting like a cowboy. Again he chose to ignore those checks of power and commit a crime.

Just saw this.

Click Here Please

I am sure we all remember the secret AT$T room in SF.

Q: Why would the agency need to be so secretive about the AT&T rooms?

Tice: The big reason why they would put the San Francisco operation at such a high classification level is to hide the fact that they're breaking the law and to hide the fact that they're breaking the NSA's own policy. It should be [the sort of project] that any NSA analyst should be able to walk in and have access to. But to cloister it away where only a few people know about it means that it's something they don't want anyone to know about. ...

--Former National Security Agency analyst Russell Tice

This is the kind of crap you expect from Russia, China, 3rd world dictators...

Not in america.... Unless we let it....

Jim O'Bryan wrote:I waited a couple days just to see if anyone even noticed the stories in most news sources.

Whistleblower: NSA spied on everyone, targeted journalists

Updates: Sen. Rockefeller believes NSA may have spied on him; Ex-NSA analyst believes program a remnant of 'Total Information Awareness'

Former National Security Agency analyst Russell Tice, who helped expose the NSA's warrantless wiretapping in December 2005, has now come forward with even more startling allegations. Tice told MSNBC's Keith Olbermann on Wednesday that the programs that spied on Americans were not only much broader than previously acknowledged but specifically targeted journalists.

"The National Security Agency had access to all Americans' communications -- faxes, phone calls, and their computer communications," Tice claimed. "It didn't matter whether you were in Kansas, in the middle of the country, and you never made foreign communications at all. They monitored all communications."




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they should have focused on people involved in the Import/Export business. and people with private jets.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20110420/pl_usnw/FL86038

Tell Government and the Travel Industry: No More TSA Pat-Downs for Kids


I will take the Bush phone tap anyday over having my kids groped by Janet and crew..